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[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

We're gonna start seeing large open source communities start to break into smaller ones because of sanctions from now aren't we?

[–] GhiLA 12 points 2 hours ago

You don't need sanctions. I've seen you petty fucks fork projects over a font.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

This article gives a good discussion about a potential coming East/West political split in the world of FOSS.

https://thenewstack.io/avoiding-a-geopolitical-open-source-apocalypse/

[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

This sets such a bad precedent...

[–] [email protected] 19 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

The bad precedent was starting a war

[–] [email protected] 13 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah I'm sure the maintainers are in talks with Putin directly

[–] [email protected] 37 points 8 hours ago

As a finn, I understand that there are probably legal reasons for doing this.

I just wish they would be transparent and share those reasons with us. The Linux kernel is certainly not the only free software project that is impacted, if this comes straight from EU/US sanctions. Maintainers of other projects have a lot of interest in what is happening.

Transparency is also important because if EU/US policy/sanctions are causing issues for free software projects, then that discussion needs to be public, so that there is a chance to amend the policies if necessary.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 hours ago

He alludes to sanctions being a factor but never clarifies on advice from his lawyers. ngl I don't like the look of it just from a transparency perspective.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 10 hours ago (11 children)

Everyone who disagrees with me is a paid russian troll of course. Nobody would oppose blacklisting people based on nothing but their nationality unless they were getting paid for it.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Free as in... obeys US foreign policy

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

In the article, Linus explicitly said that it's not just a US thing:

And FYI for the actual innocent bystanders who aren't troll farm accounts - the "various compliance requirements" are not just a US thing.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure not just the US wants Russia sanctioned to the oblivion. All of the Europe that borders Russia wants that. Now why would it be like that?

[–] gigachad 1 points 3 hours ago

It makes no sense to discuss here.They probably follow Russia's narrative of Europe being a puppet of the US.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

He's gonna ban american and "israeli" maintainers too then, I guess?

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Why? There aren't any sanctions for them in Finland?

[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Linus said it was to prevent security backdoors.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago

It can be two things.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 13 hours ago (4 children)

Linus has never been the best communicator, but he usually speaks the truth. But this is just bonkers and wrong. Not everyone living in Russia has "ties with Russia" other than "they were born there". If this is about sanctions, he could have still just told them that. But instead he just disrespected contributors completely and then double down in it by being xenophobic.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Hate to break it to you, but if you live in Russia and can be useful to the government, they will make you useful. Unless you don't mind you, or your family suffering and dieing, there is no stopping that.

Russia has no law to protect its citizens, only to scare and oppress their citizens. If Russia wants you to do something, such as working in a backdoor in software, you have no choice. So it is a good choice to not leave that door wide open in my opinion.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

Yup. If you don't want to "mysteriously fall from a window," you do what they say.

I agree 100% with Linus here

[–] Jumuta 23 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

It's really disappointing seeing Russian contributors being disrespected like this, the regime that rules Russia wasn't entirely their fault, and allegiance, nationality, and ethnicity are all clearly different things

Also, wouldn't a state sponsored Russian hacker pretend to be from the US or something anyway? No way they'd contribute code as a Russian, that'd just increase others' suspicion

I agree with Linus a lot too but I strongly disagree here. I hope he's just being made to say this because of government policies

[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 hours ago

And the most dangerous part here is the whole rethoric of "if you disagree, you are a Russian shill".

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