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Android "Password Store" client for pass discontinued (github.com)

submitted 3 weeks ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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Over the past 3 years the pace of development in APS has steadily fallen off as maintainers including myself have moved on to other things. I no longer have time and motivation to dedicate to this project, and in the absence of significant external contributions there is no-one else I can offer the project's stewardship to.

To that effect, I will be archiving the repository on Monday, October 14th 2024 at 7AM GST. In the situation that a serious and viable fork emerges, I will help them as much as I can with the transition. The criteria for what counts as "serious and viable" is entirely vibes-driven for now, and may become more specific in the future. In case I determine that a fork does not live up to my made up standard, they will have to come up with a slightly more creative name than "Android Password Store" and watch low 4 figures of cash wither away in OpenCollective's bank account.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Good thing i switched to selfhosted vaultwarden setup.

Sees bitwarden drama, Noooo😭

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah, with all the stuff going on with password managers, I wonder if there's a truly future-proof setup that can be self-hosted and will never have these issues.

I was a Keepass user many years ago, but I'm not confident that a Keepass-like system would work well with some very computer-illiterate family members. Bitwarden is hard enough to teach them, and it's one of the easy ones!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

There is no such solution but you could just not update your mobile app and keep using vault warden. Nothing will change for you.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

you could just not update your mobile app and keep using vault warden.

Well, I'd prefer that the apps that are a gateway to my most important pieces of data (passwords) be updated to plug vulnerabilities and exploits. If it were any other app/service, then I can live without updates. But not something related to passwords.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Someone will fork it, once Bitwarden close the source you won't know if they are even patching vulnerabilities.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Yup. I'm either hoping for a more sustainable alternative, or a fork with active updates.

For now, I'm holding my position, but preparing for an exit from Bitwarden.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

vaultwarden is perfectly fine. we just need to fund 3rd party clients for platforms. on android we already have keyguard, albeit it being only source available

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

albeit it being only source available

Isn't that exactly why we need to leave the official Bitwarden client for something else?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

yup, my point was we need fully open source clients for all platforms

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

I agree

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Yeah vaultwarden even has its own web interface so my passwords probably not going to locked behind priopority apps. İ think i will keep using it for a while at least.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

This one hurts... as I use this as my password manager on mobile :{

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

Can recommend KeypassDX you can download it from fdroid. It is compatible with KeepassXC

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

I was using this app until I created a new gpg key and OpenKeychain did not work because of this https://github.com/open-keychain/open-keychain/issues/2886. I then installed password store inside termux and I am using it as if I am using it from my PC. That works pretty well.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Can CLI applications inside Termux interact with the Android clipboard?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

https://wiki.termux.com/wiki/Termux-clipboard-set

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

Thanks

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Honestly we need to invent something better than password managers.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Webauthn already exists.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago

You still need to store those secrets. You would probably refer to a keychain but in the end it is still a password/secret manager.

And the current implementation is not really better, services like paypal still do not allow you to use a passkey on the desktop.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

This is more often 2FA & a password is still needed

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Any self-hosted software to recommend?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Kanidm

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

Thx. Will check!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Best we have and probably will ever have on the current web. Not sure what the problem is with password managers?

[+] [email protected] -6 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Personally I would never trust an app to save and manage my passwords. There are a lot of risks with it. But I still think writing down passwords on a piece of paper and storing it in a physical safe when needed is the best approach so ik nobody will understand.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Differences in the thread model. And of course convince. How to you backup your paper regulary? How do you transfer it? What if you need to access a pasdword when you are not home?

Most ppl will just reuse or use very weak passwords when they have to write every password they have to enter.

[–] [email protected] -5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Differences in the thread model.

Well yea people with the "I don't care. I just press the button and it always works" model do exist.

Most ppl will just reuse or use very weak passwords when they have to write every password they have to enter.

But browser cookies exist?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I know a lot of services that log you out regularly. Or need a password when you change settings or whatever.

Well yea people with the "I don't care. I just press the button and it always works" model do exist.

WTF no. Password managers are reasonable secure. That is no i don't care behavior.

And when you are worried about password managers you should not use cookies. Stealing a cookie is much more simple than stealing and encrypting your password safe.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I know a lot of services that log you out regularly. Or need a password when you change settings or whatever.

Ok that's true.

Stealing a cookie is much more simple than stealing and encrypting your password safe.

I didn't mean stealing. I meant losing passwords due to a system malfunction or losing the password for the manager. In that case you lose all your passwords in one moment. That's scary. Also the manager can become proprietary and leak the data to governments. Though in that case it's all about your trust to the manager.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

That is why you use an open source manager. KeePassXC for example is not owned by a for-profit company.

Losing the container due to corruption disk failure etc can be easily managed with backups.

Losing the password. Yes this is a real valid scenario. I personally have no problem with that i manage fine for years without having to write it out on paper to backup it. A solution would be to actually write that password out somewhere and hide it/ put it into a safe. An attack then needs to attack both, depending if you use disk encryption it is easy to get access to the password safe or not. There are other things to consider, like you could try to hide it in a very long string of characters like 20 pages of random characters, even if you forget it you will be able to find it cause it is very likely that you remember a few characters.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago

We have USB/NFC hardware security tokens, as well as OS-integrated passkeys