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If your sneer seems higher quality than you thought, feel free to cut’n’paste it into its own post — there’s no quota for posting and the bar really isn’t that high.

The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

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(Semi-obligatory thanks to @dgerard for starting this)

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

I just want to share this video because I think it is a work of art

"I'm gonna replace AI" by Olivia Squizzle

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pbh_J7VI94g

sorry for yt link, invidious didn't like it

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

A friend of mine keeps suggesting Cursor to me. God damn I am sick of autoplag.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I keep wanting to give zed a serious go (even just to try it out because it looks interesting) but there's some design decisions that are raisedeyebrow.gif and feel like a very telling thing about the mindset of the devs

fresh install:

  • at start, it immediately attempts to start making connections to github copilot and a couple of other network sources. no user prompt, no indication that it's going to be doing this, no indication that it is doing it
  • figuring out how to turn said undesired features off was not documented and just by the by semi answered elsewhere (also: I applied those settings and it still did a bunch of shit, so I had to pull the repo and scratch through it myself...)

while I'm certainly from the older guard of crotchety, I still think it's fucking reasonable to ask the user before your software goes off and does shit. you don't even have to overload them with requests, you can make it granular with a customize button. this shit has been solved in fucking windows application installers since the goddamn 00s

christ I'm gonna stay angry at the last decade for a long time

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago

tangentially, I think about this thread every so often too. this just made me think of it again.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 17 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 12 hours ago

fuck why didnt i think of that

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

OpenAI's business model:

Star Citizen, but for billionaires.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In other news, Disney's apparently planning some kind of "major AI initiative".

Whatever it is, I'm expecting large-scale boycotts/strikes to kick off as a result of it, alongside AI's lack of copyright protection getting exploited to troll the shit out of Disney.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Wasn't Rise of Skywalker already written by a deficient AI of a Gonk droid?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

No, it was written by a Star Wars fan. Can't blame you for confusing the two, though - they're equally dumb

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Annoyed Redditors tanking Google Search results illustrates perils of AI scrapers

A trend on Reddit that sees Londoners giving false restaurant recommendations in order to keep their favorites clear of tourists and social media influencers highlights the inherent flaws of Google Search’s reliance on Reddit and Google's AI Overview.

Anyways, personal sidenote:

Beyond putting another blow to AI's reliability, this will probably also make the public more wary of user-generated material - its hard to trust something if you know the masses could be actively manipulating you.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago

there used to be a shitposting fb page called "places in warsaw you had no idea about because they don't exist". glad that somebody weaponised that concept

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

I don't think there's a hell of a lot there that we don't already know and discuss at length, but it's cool to see Abby Thorne's new video at Philosophy Tube get into surveillance capitalism, neo-reaction/tech fascism, and how much of the discussion historically on and around social media misses the point.

It might be a decent overview reference for anyone in your life who isn't in as deep as we are, since you could do much worse in ~40 minutes.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago

Australian post-industrial is my favorite genre atm thanks to David, and I have a recommendation: https://moose-mouse.bandcamp.com/album/oxide an Australian kid that plays drums in restaurants around Melbourne and has produced delightful solo electronic albums.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 days ago (5 children)

That anti David Gerard Wikipedia nontroversy from awhile back has made it to Elon Musk's twitter feed: https://xcancel.com/elonmusk/status/1849862303614894223

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Only now? It is amazing how disconnected Musk is from that part of SV culture. Amazing, even sucks at the thing he should have a home field advantage at.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Maybe not super amazing, he probably avoids/firewalls out most of these people because they'd constantly be hitting him up for money

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I had a mini identity crisis when i realized I'm more aware of techno-fascist writing than Elon Musk of all people.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

If Elon had any self-awareness he wouldn't be Elon

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I wish I was cool enough to have the world's worst people get so mad at me that they...make fan art and put it up on their website. What's Elon going for here?

If their aim is to make DG look bad ass, they're doing a good job.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

Anti David Gerard David Gerard Club

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

david gerard refuses to respond to my allegations that he wears an awesome trenchcoat and uses magic to trap his opponents in a realm where everything is made of the pages of a failed novela, and I think that says a lot

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

no no, that one i totally did and i'll fuckin do it again

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Is it possible to learn this power?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 17 hours ago

you've got the abyss diving down pat

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

"I want to speak to the manager" energy.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

oh boy it’s gonna be funny/painful to see musk’s biggest fans try to litigate this on Wikipedia with all the banal nothing and weird stalking that trace’s article consists of

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

trace is on a quillette podcast about it too, prob where Musk got it

no new outbreak on Wikipedia itself

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

my condolences on the likely death threats. I've been there before and it sucks

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (1 children)

so far it's two (2) idiots on X the everything app

lol

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It's all happening on X the death threats app

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

well so far it's the whiny little chuds app

though today's was the Nigerian crypto guy who was angry I'd apparently deleted several of his articles

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

Update on LLM reviewer situation:

PM is down to let us pitch them our argument. Good news: PM seems like a cool person, is open minded, and is being pretty frank about the forces at work here. Bad news: taking action on this will open a whole can of worms, so any proof has to be ironclad. After conferring with our local grant wizards, the battle plan is to crank out a 15 minute pitch consisting of:

  • a 2 min elevator pitch of our tech, highlighting what the reviews mangled
  • intro to LLMs for people who know what glycosylation is
  • intro to semiotics for the same
  • show how transformer architectures transform symbols into symbols to produce text-shaped objects without actual intent, ideas, or context (and why "automated AI detection" is also bullshit).
  • show a few examples of plausible-at-first-glance gen-ai slop (the nonexistant turkish fortress, mouse dck, etc)
  • Highlight how our weird reviews (both good and bad) fit exactly into this bin (absolutely mis-interpreting a table, inventing a bacterial species we didn't use and talking shit about it, miscounting our team members, etc)

We'll be leaning on the Stochastic Parrot paper pretty hard, because it's a good entry into the field on the skeptical side and is just well constructed in general. I'm also on the hunt simplified diagram for how LLMs convert tokens to arrays to tokens from the original transformer literature. Unfortunately, so much of the literature is obscurantist on purpose, and I want to avoid falling into the "It can't be that stupid" trap. Any pointers in that direction are most welcome!

Wish us luck, heh!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

good luck! it sounds like you’re coming in remarkably well-prepared, so unless they’re gonna go fingers-in-ears (and it sounds like the PM’s better than that), you’re at least likely to make an impact

Unfortunately, so much of the literature is obscurantist on purpose

between this and all the SEO on OpenAI’s marketing horseshit and breathlessly parroted press releases, it’s exhausting to find good sources for how any of this stuff actually works in reality. shit, I’ve had old primary sources on things like Sora get buried after OpenAI’s promises didn’t pan out. I’m hoping you can find what you need — our back archives might have a few links if you haven’t searched through here yet.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

Kinda nervous about it, not gonna lie. Really appreciate the positive vibes!

Edit: And thanks so much for keeping this community alive!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

o7 much appreciated!

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (4 children)

‘They wish this technology didn’t exist’: Perplexity responds to News Corp’s lawsuit

“There are around three dozen lawsuits by media companies against generative AI tools. The common theme betrayed by those complaints collectively is that they wish this technology didn’t exist,” said the Perplexity team in the blog. “They prefer to live in a world where publicly reported facts are owned by corporations, and no one can do anything with those publicly reported facts without paying a toll.”

I wish the AI bros at Perplexity and elsewhere a very cope and fucking seethe.

Okay, quick personal sidenote:

With how much misinformation, manipulation, outright theft and other horrific shit this AI bubble has caused, I suspect we're gonna see some attempts at an outright ban on AI. How successful they're gonna be, I don't know, but at the bare minimum it'll enjoy some popularity on the political fringe.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 days ago

they wish this technology didn’t exist

this is supposed to be invalidating, but like... yes? what's wrong with that?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago (2 children)

They prefer to live in a world where publicly reported facts are owned by corporations, and no one can do anything with those publicly reported facts without paying a toll.

Yea, down with corporate IP trolls, information gatekeepers and idea landlords! Anyway, what was Perplexity's business model again?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

On one hand, big "let them fight" energy. On the other hand this is a bit more Alien v Predator than Godzilla v Kong. No matter who wins, we lose.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago

idea landlords: making sure that no one is living rent free in someone elses head

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

You know you're dealing with serious people when the dogwhistles come out.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Burglars telling homeowners to cope and seethe when questioned about their possession of crowbars at time of arrest.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Crypto mining firms based in Sweden are accused of withholding around $100M in unpaid taxes.

Mostly VAT fraud.

News in Swedish: https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/norrbotten/kryptoforetagen-lurade-staten-pa-en-miljard

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago

But your honor, we're a crypto mining company; we don't add any value!

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago
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