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[–] freeman 43 points 1 day ago (3 children)

What a lot of right wing preppers and a lot of 'militia' guys (the tacticool heavy infantry kind) seem to completely lack is the willingness to be inconvenienced at all.

They buy or craft whatever stuff seems cool to them (some of which sure can actually be quite useful), train some skills they find fun to do (usually shooting/hunting) but most seem to ignore anything they don't like, find difficult or uninteresting to do (such as keeping reasonably fit). It also usually includes being willing to take orders or cooperate.

The lack of some skills/equipment/preparation could be overcome but not with the mentality that lead to it on the first place.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The being cooperative thing is the key.

Id be willing to bet my left testicle those that survive an apocalypse are those who work together to grow food, build shelter, etc. and not the goobers who lock themselves in a crate with some beans.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The one doomsday prepper I knew had to weigh at least 400 pounds. I often wondered if he knew how to make insulin for when the apocalypse happens.

He was actually a nice enough guy, but not the brightest bulb in the box.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

That's because they're planning against the fall of civilization. Realistically that wouldn't happen. The bank stayed open during covid, the supermarket stayed open during covid. All that really happened was that life became very difficult for everyone and some people died.

If your enemy is a virus then your front door is more than enough protection. You don't need a big underground bunker you just need some pasta. But that's boring so they don't care.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

A lot of these militia guys also don't learn the survival tasks they consider feminine. How many know any sort of gathering skills, cooking anything not meat based, laundry, mending clothes? Those are probably more day to day useful during the apocalypse than rifle shooting or how to wear camo paint.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Yeah, I think the idea there is if you point a gun at someone and tell them to cook and wash the clothes, it's likely to get done. It's that male power fantasy again. They desire civilizational collapse because then they think their love affair with guns will give them the authority and respect that can't find in the real world.

Meanwhile, it's just likely to make them a target. And since most of the people I've come across like this are typically overweight morons, they're just more likely to be killed in the extremely unlikely scenario they're preparing/hoping for. But they see themselves as the main character.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Or ever bother learning something to benefit society now and in the case of a rebuild. Great, you have food, shelter and guns. Do you know how to dress wounds? Do you know how to build a generator? Fuck electricity actually- do you know how to build a steam engine? Wait before we can get here, do you know how to make steel? Cast iron? There should be plenty of it after an apocalypse. Wind copper?

What about welding? Not the kind you need modern tools for, you won't have those. Do you know basic chemistry to get what you need to restart society? No? Well good luck.

Turns out survival in an apocalypse isn't all that difficult if you payed attention to anything in school. It pisses me off people get bent out of shape about "useful practice skills like doing taxes aren't being taught."

I can remember a ton of important ass survival shit from school. Crop rotation! Agricultural practices from thousands of years ago! Steam power, basic electricity, Simple chemistry. Oh, and Math! How many Preppers can't do basic fucking math that would save them?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I feel like a lot of stuff from ancient times wouldn't be all that useful. A lot of stuff back then was optimized for a society that didn't know anything about electricity.

We know how electricity exists, we know that with some magnets and copper wire we can turn mechanical energy into electricity. It seems like making a wind turbine is something they could've made in ancient times, but they didn't do that simply because they didn't really know anything about electricity. Some more copper wire and some more magnets and you could drive a pump. Some chemistry and you have a battery, maybe not Li-ion but something that'll work well enough. Resistors and you can have an electric stove and a heater.

It always strikes me as odd that preparers aren't all-in on green technology. If you had some wind turbines and/or solar panels and electric vehicles almost nothing other than communications would really change much. Dependency on complex oil refineries is the biggest weakness of our society. If you live in a rural area that has some farming and has green energy and electric vehicles you're dependent on very little that's not produced in your community.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I meant more how agricultural practices haven't changed much. New tools have been added, but it is still clear land, plant seed, add water, wait. Don't plant the same thing two seasons in a row.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (5 children)

There was a really good 1970s post-apocalyptic show in the UK called Survivors that dealt with those issues. One episode involved the fact that the only person who knew how to take care of their livestock committed rape and what to do about it. Others involved the just basic drudgery of returning to a medieval life. Really good show (apart from the last episode, which subverts the whole fucking show).

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[–] ryathal 50 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If you just went hunting, fishing, and living in the woods COVID wouldn't be a problem for you though.

[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Tell that to all the gay frogs I heard coughing in the woods last night

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

The irony in the "prepping" movement these days is that it was never intended to be this thing about having an inexhaustible supply of resources just for you and your family (if you're still on speaking terms with them) to live off of when the nukes fall.

It's not about sitting in your attic and picking off starving people who are looking for a meal while you sit on a cache of food and ammunition.

It's supposed to be about being a useful person in your community who can help each other weather the worst in life. You will get much further in a disaster if you have skills than if you have stuff. You might have an entire Home Depot to yourself, but it's far too late to learn carpentry when the rain starts to fall.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago (16 children)

It’s not about sitting in your attic and picking off starving people who are looking for a meal while you sit on a cache of food and ammunition.

Unfortunately for many it is.

I don't really generally circulate with far right wing folk. However this is one place that overlaps with my interests. One of the most unlikely intersections between the far left and the far right is home solar power. When you start to stray way from purely commercial groups trying to sell you stuff, you get to the DIY solar community.

Here you'll find multi-gun toting, hardcore Randian libertarians, that "want the damn government control out of their lives" right next too tree hugging, LGBTQ/feminist equality supporting, carbon-neutralling liberals. Both groups squint hard not to see who they're talking to or asking for advice on Charge Controllers, panel interconnects, AC inverter config settings, or off-grid battery solutions. Every now and then one person from one side or the other won't be able to help themselves and they'll make reference to their particular extreme political views. Everyone just holds their breath hoping a fight doesn't break out and most of the time its just ignored by both sides.

In here you'll find those far right preppers and they are convinced that they'll have to be 100% self supporting when the government falls "real soon now".

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm an inverse prepper I guess

[–] [email protected] 4 points 23 hours ago

Always ready to just give up and die

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not just listening to scientists. Listening to nerds.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago

I had a few shirts made with this.

Avoid it like ~~the plague~~ any sense of personal responsibility.

I get all sorts of reactions.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (7 children)

What you're not seeing is that it's also a dick-measuring contest. He who dies in a megastorm with the most hoarded toilet paper wins.

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