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US to probe Tesla's 'Full Self-Driving' system after pedestrian killed in low visibility conditions (apnews.com)

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The U.S. government’s road safety agency is again investigating Tesla’s “Full Self-Driving” system, this time after getting reports of crashes in low-visibility conditions, including one that killed a pedestrian.

The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration says in documents that it opened the probe on Thursday with the company reporting four crashes after Teslas entered areas of low visibility, including sun glare, fog and airborne dust.

In addition to the pedestrian’s death, another crash involved an injury, the agency said.

Investigators will look into the ability of “Full Self-Driving” to “detect and respond appropriately to reduced roadway visibility conditions, and if so, the contributing circumstances for these crashes.”

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Full Self Driving shipping ~~2025~~ ~~2026~~ ~~2027~~ ~~3098~~ ~~4484~~ 1e+156

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                   You are here

[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 day ago (10 children)

Humans know to drive more carefully in low visibility, and/or to take actions to improve visibility. Muskboxes don't.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They also decided to only use cameras and visual clues for driving instead of using radar, heat cameras or something like that as well.

It's designed to be launched asap, not to be safe

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

I mean, that’s just good economics. I’m willing to bet someone at Tesla has done the calcs on how many people they can kill before it becomes unprofitable

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago

Muskboxes

like that

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

I purchased FSD when it was 8k. What a crock of shit. When I sold the car, that was this only gave the car value after 110k miles and it was only $1500 at most.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The worst way to die would be getting hit by a shitbox Tesla. RIP.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

I mean I'll take it over being burned alive or brutally eaten alive by a pack of ravenous wolves.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

I'll take the wolves

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

In five years guys!!

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If anyone was somehow still thinking RoboTaxi is ever going to be a thing. Then no, it’s not, because of reasons like this.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago (6 children)

It doesn't have to not hit pedestrians. It just has to hit less pedestrians than the average human driver.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago (8 children)

Exactly. The current rate is 80 deaths per day in the US alone. Even if we had self-driving cars proven to be 10 times safer than human drivers, we’d still see 8 news articles a day about people dying because of them. Taking this as 'proof' that they’re not safe is setting an impossible standard and effectively advocating for 30,000 yearly deaths, as if it’s somehow better to be killed by a human than by a robot.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (11 children)

It needs to be way way better than ‘better than average’ if it’s ever going to be accepted by regulators and the public. Without better sensors I don’t believe it will ever make it. Waymo had the right idea here if you ask me.