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cross-posted from: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/22828099

USB was supposed to rule them all but it's now a mess of standards sharing the same connector. Different speeds, voltage, charging protocols, alt modes, even the number of pins used is variable.... For those asking, the thing is available on Kickstarter

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 hours ago

Imagine the world if USB cables where properly labeled.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago (3 children)

Will this just become obsolete the next time they update usb c to support something new? A tester that goes out of date as quickly as the cables it's testing feels pretty pointless to me

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago

It doesn't loose its ability to tell all the variations up to the point in time.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago

For the switch to 240W USB-C it may become obsolote but at least you will know they are 100W and 10gbit capable?

[–] [email protected] 0 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Aren't we all going to die one day? Doing anything to improve one's life seems pretty pointless to me.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, but I take it you're not planning on dying next year...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago

You don't know me

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

Sounds and reads as a solid product idea.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Hmm... This looks like something that could just work as software on a PC, or as an app on a phone. I'd be surprised if it doesn't already exist.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 13 hours ago

You need both ends of the cable connected, so the phone is out. And even on PC, I'm not sure if it would work with the USB drivers in-between the software and the actual ports

[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

If only USB-IF would do their fucking job and create actual standardized names with standard features instead of shit like USB 3.2 Gen 2x2

[–] [email protected] 31 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

like USB 3.2 Gen 2x2

Did you see that the newest version is called USB 4 2.0? lol

[–] [email protected] 12 points 18 hours ago

That is very very explicitly just the name of technical the specification. Its a documents for people who design usb devices. The tech media failed us by reporting on it like they did.

The spec also explicitly tells us that we should refer to the usb cables/ports/devices as e.g. "USB4 40Gib" or "USB 3 20GiB". So in fact we have easy to understand names but only a few manufacturers actually print that on the boxes or cables.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 20 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 8 points 20 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 20 hours ago (4 children)

90% of the projects are scams and have been for years.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 17 hours ago

Guess I've only been supporting the 10%

[–] [email protected] 7 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

...so which website should I use for my next scam as a substitute for Kickstarter?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 17 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 16 hours ago

Solar Freakin' Roadways!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

There's only one thing I can think of that actually succeeded out of Kickstarter, and that's the Pebble watch. Still the best smartwatch ever made imo

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 hours ago

The most successful Kickstarter in history (so far) was Brandon Sanderson’s “Secret Project.” He had written four novels during the pandemic which were not written for or promised to any publisher, so they did a Kickstarter to publish them through Dragonsteel, his company, and added on things like monthly loot boxes, digital editions, etc.

Raised over $40 million dollars (some of which they used to fund almost every publishing project on Kickstarter at the time, which was pretty cool).

Other than some snafus with manufacturing (getting the fancy colored pages from the printer to the binder took longer than anticipated, so the first book didn’t reach people until a month or two late, and instead they moved up the boxes planned for February to January, March to February, etc.) the delivery went really well. I have my four high-quality hardcover copies displayed proudly in my living room, and I have various Cosmere-related merch all over the house.

Of course, Sanderson already had an audience and a company. The Kickstarter let them do something they hadn’t done previously, but he obviously would’ve been able to publish those books through one of the publishers he works with regardless. Still, it was fun to be a part of community funding for something I was excited about.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Eh, I have a few things from Kickstarter that were successful. Exploding Kittens is probably the most successful one of all the ones I own.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 hours ago

Oh, I didn't know that started on Kickstarter

[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 hours ago

Good to know, thanks

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 day ago (3 children)

That U is becoming more and more a joke..

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago

That U is becoming more and more a joke..

Importantly, it’s universal compared to having parallel and Serial and PS/2 and the old joystick port and FireWire and whatnot.

How annoyed everyone is/was about Lightning sticking around should be pretty good evidence of how universal USB is. Especially since Lightning still used USB-A or USB-C on the host end.

Sure there are different versions of USB, but they will still work. They might not work at their best if they don’t have compatible higher-end features, but they’ll still communicate.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 day ago

It's very universal, you can plug it into any port that is USB C, whether it does what you ask it to or not is a whole other story.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I want this device, can't expect every cable to be thunderbolt grade.

A Chinese projector light uses the same port for charging, can't expect a thicc cable there

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

The most expensive Thunderbolt 3 USB-C cables let you get lengths of 2 meters + at 40 Gbps but only hit USB 2.0 480 Mbps speeds if used as a regular USB C cable.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

I'd pay $30-40 for one, but the asking price now is too much.

[–] Grass 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

but where is the diy version that we actually want that uses arduino or esp or something with all the details on a git readme?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, no. They're trying to sell them for 89$

[–] [email protected] 5 points 17 hours ago

Are they insane? I already have a free tester -- the device I want to use the cable on. I would pay maybe $15 for this, but perhaps I am not part of the target market

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

~~Media doesn't load here (both through my instance's web front, as well as through discuss.tchncs.de's web front)~~

Edit: never mind, I got it to load now, maybe it was a temporary lag. It remembers me these Ethernet testers (in such a way that it's capable of testing individual pins for electrical continuity), but digital and with more features:

[–] [email protected] 4 points 20 hours ago

I have that model.. so weird.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

I guess it's neat that it's kinda like whatever this guy is called https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0CF95VL2Y plus the power-z tester built into one. I wonder if the power-z could be updated via software to do cable pinout testing.

What I'd really like to see is a device that actually tries to send 40gbits of data down the cable and makes sure it comes through clearly and provides a signal integrity reading. The only devices I've seen that do that are essentially just oscilloscopes and signal generators.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Yeah, the whole experience of going from lightning cables and mini display port and such has been less than overwhelming. I eventually had to buy a USB C from the Apple Store to get one that actually did 100W power instead of just lying about it on the box.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Even then, Apple USB-C charging cables only hit USB 2.0 480 Mbps speeds.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago

Interesting. Luckily I only needed it to power my docking station so I can plug in power, ethernet, USB and monitor with one plug so not an issue for me luckily.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 16 hours ago

Yes because being able to handle 5 amps does not mean it having the USB 3+ lines, but only V+, D+, D-, and a CC line. A cable that supports 5 amps has a build in chip (eMarker) that is powered by the other CC pin (which is not led through the cable) that is in that case called Vconn. For fast data, you have two additional pairs of data wires with better isolation from interference (like in HDMI, DP, Ethernet etc.) How well those insulation work is rated with the 5, 10, 20, 40, 80 gb/s spec. Theoretically, a good 10gb/s cable may be able to handle more bandwidth. Additionally for thunderbolt, you as well need a chip in the cable for some stuff I have not learned yet.

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