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[–] [email protected] 71 points 3 days ago

One way to get Congress to act on this would be to remind them of how Robert Bork's video rental history got released. They very quickly realized that they all had the same sleazy movies on their rental list and passed a law making it illegal to share them.

Call your Congressmen and tell them that their smart TV is sending screenshots of whatever they're watching back to home base, including stuff that's not streamed, and there might be swift action.

Better yet, hack Samsung and leak it to the press. That'll definitely light a fire under them.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 3 days ago (11 children)

I blocked my two TVs from phoning home via my pihole. They are the two noisiest devices on my network, by leaps and bounds.

On a day of heavy usage, my phone and desktop may get ~2000 blocked requests combined. That’s high, but not unheard of. It just means I did a lot of browsing, with a lot of blocked ad requests. My TVs average somewhere around 7500 blocked requests per day, on days that I haven’t even turned them on. That’s an attempt to phone home every ~12 seconds. And it is much worse on days that I actually use them.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

To be clear though, that's largely because it is just repeating the same request over and over as it times out and retries. They're a lot less noisy when they actually connect successfully, though it is still undesirable for them to do so.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I got a 42" 4k computer monitor instead

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

How many times the cost of a comparably-sized Trojan TV did that run you?

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[–] [email protected] 215 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (2 children)

my TV incurred my wrath by having the gall to show me a banner ad while I was in the middle of a game.

so I promptly cut its balls off. (disabled the internet entirely). now it is a dumb TV. and it behaves like a TV. and not an ad machine.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 4 days ago (33 children)

But what device do you use to stream? That's the dilemma I'm in, streaming sticks and devices are all so spammy.

[–] [email protected] 71 points 4 days ago (10 children)

I just run an old PC plugged in to my TV. It's been running Windows, but I'm strongly considering switching it to linux now that it seems HDR on linux is getting stable. I might even use SteamOS directly since it's got a nice interface for controller use.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Louis Rossman has a video about goes Netflix will not play 4K content on Linux. For some reason they limited the video resolution to 720.

Not sure if it’s still an issue. Also I had my brothers login for peacock and it didn’t run on Linux at all.

Now I’m just using a mibox, and it’s pretty good and doesn’t feel spammy.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago

Yes, there's issues with playing DRM content on linux. Only certain browsers support the encryption decoding extension.

Since most of my viewing is on YouTube and media I have saved on Plex, it's not really an issue.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Honestly, the apple TV is the least spammy by a long shot. I also hear great things about the Nvidia shield, but it is pretty ancient by now. Or use a computer, but of course that's got its own annoyances. Of course these are all the most expensive options, apparently for a reason.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago

The situation is really bad for consumers. Even with a Pi-Hole and a dumb TV and something like a Fire TV stick (they tend to send lots of telemetry too and apps like Toggo will nag you to oblivion to consent to data mining - if an app asks at all that is).

I'm slowly building up a Jellyfin library and yeah I jumped the hoops to find a non-smart TV. Wrote about it at https://beko.famkos.net/2022/11/27/on-non-smart-tvs/ and settled with a https://www.homex.eu/u55nt1000.html that ticked all my boxes:

☑ ~~cheap~~ affordable ☑ 4k (UHD) ☑ ~~dumb~~ non-Smart ☑ HDMI ☑ 55″

No idea about it's tuner though[1] alas it's not really any longer available in any market space today and I hope it will not die on us any time soon or the quest to find a new one starts again 🤓

[1] We've a decent external receiver that does all the work and HDMI juggling but even that thing is on the WiFi for software updates and in-house streaming but from what I can tell it behaves at least, which is probably just because it's old by now.

[–] [email protected] 119 points 4 days ago (3 children)

If only our fucking government would do something about this and actually regulate these evil bastards.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

First you'd need to ban money from politics and change the voting system to better represent the people living there instead of wealthy elites, but that would just be the start.

Whenever wealthy elites have even a tiny bit of power (as they do in any capitalist system, including social democracies like what the Nordic countries have), they will seize as much control as possible. We saw this happen many times.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

Nico Semsrott (Kabarettist and member of the EU parliament. Yes, both) proposed in jest sponsoring placement on the jackets of the political members that got donations by companies.
The jackets should then look like the race overalls from Formula 1 or (not US) football players.

And I am fully supporting this.

Edit:
Like this:

[–] [email protected] 21 points 4 days ago (1 children)

but then the market would be ever so slightly less free. the horror!

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 3 days ago (3 children)

can we just ban online features from tvs, cars, printers, light bulbs etc.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Cars being online has some tangible benefits in that they can transmit location data to emergency services, especially if the driver is unresponsive. Might save someone from dying in a ditch in the middle of nowhere.

Arguably, some of the data collected while driving is also very useful for maintenance and development (e.g. if a lot of vehicles start having a similar issue after X miles).

That said, this data should be limited in scope and use (e.g. must not be sold, especially not to insurance companies), as well as anonymized as much as possible. Which is currently not the case, and that definitely needs regulation.

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[–] gravitas_deficiency 34 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I’m more than happy to buy a TV that uses post-purchase monetization, because I am never going to connect that fucker to the internet. It’s a display. I shall use it as a display. I do not care that it can replace my streaming box. I fully control my streaming box, and I will use that.

If I catch it doing any sketchy shit like trying to use unsecured/Comcast/etc WiFi to phone home, it’ll be time to pull out the screwdriver, though.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago (7 children)

What happens when it no longer needs your WiFi and uses something like LoRa to phone home with your data and location? It may not know who you are exactly but it'll have a good guess.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 74 points 4 days ago (26 children)

pi-hole ftw. the vast majority of my pi-hole's DNS drops are from various Roku and Roku-like devices. Also, put all your IoT stuff onto a guest network, or if your gear supports it, on its own VLAN.

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[–] [email protected] 83 points 4 days ago (6 children)

Wait until they hear about cell phones.

[–] [email protected] 72 points 4 days ago (2 children)

And cars, and smart thermostats and smart cameras and smart fridges and routers and literally every fucking thing in your house that is connected to the fucking internet. Every single thing in our homes is a data miner.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 4 days ago (9 children)

Not mine! But my hobby is making my own smart devices.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Also known as "hmm, what else can the ESP32 do?".

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Why do we continue to be ok with this? Where is the outrage and call for change?

[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 days ago

the overwhelming bulk of humanity cant be fucked to care about shit like this.. until it personally affects them.

Then they will wail like banshees about the great injustice of it all, and how could anyone let it happen to them.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 days ago

They called me crazy.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 4 days ago (3 children)

For example, Amazon Web Services and ad-tech company TripleLift are working with proprietary models and machine learning for dynamic product placement in streamed TV shows. The report, citing a 2021 AWS case study, says that "new scenes featuring product exposure can be inserted in real-time 'without interrupting the viewing experience.'"

Peacock is also working with TripleLift to develop "In-Scene" Peacock ads that owner NBCUniversal says it's currently testing:

When a user plays episodic content, your brand’s product or message is dynamically placed in the frame of targeted scenes, creating a non-interruptive ad experience that aligns the programming with your campaign theme/goals.

This could be hilarious when your omegaverse softcore porn drama gets plastered with prune juice, old people pill adverts, and trump propaganda on everyone's shirts, tattoos, jock straps, voice lines and whatever else the AI can scrounge up. "It totally fits with the narrative!"

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Am I reading this wrong or are they literally hijacking a shot in the content by placing a product in there?
Sounds like they could literally go in there and replace the kid watching tele-shopping in a movie with watching a literal ad made to look like it's genuinley in the movie.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Just disconnect your TV from the Internet and get an Apple TV.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 4 days ago (6 children)

First yes, second no.

The dumber the device the happier the user.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (11 children)

Apple TV doesn't try to do much other than being a very technically capable passthrough. You get pretty much every streaming service, multiple Plex clients etc. And no ads.

My 1st Gen ATV4K is 7 years old now and was buttery smooth until last tvOS update, now it's only slightly smoother than most high end TVs. That's quite a good run.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

While they are at it take a look at car manufacturers too.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 days ago (5 children)

Technical fixes only work for the technical and often it's technically working against the law. We need the law on our side, not the corporations. So we need to engage with law as much as technology. Or we end having to break technologies like secure boot and laws.

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[–] Lightrider 13 points 3 days ago (2 children)
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