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[–] [email protected] 92 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Right, so the plan is to spend 20 years and 40 petawatt hours building a machine to answer the Great ℚuestion of what we should do about climate change. If it works, the answer will be "you should've stopped burning fossil fuels twenty years ago."

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"Oh no what do about all this waste heat?"

"Generate more waste heat"

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Repeat until a machine that can create God is built. Then it's God's problem.

But it must be a US God, otherwise China wins.

[–] fsxylo 11 points 1 month ago (5 children)

The US god will team up with the Chinese god and the Russian god to beat the crap out of us.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

"The answer is 34. Now here's the schematics to build an even better computer to ask the right question."

[–] [email protected] 77 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is the inevitable evolution of climate change denialism - accept it's real and happening, just that it's too late / too expensive to do anything about it.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 month ago (1 children)

musn't make the eight guys who own everything sad!

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago (2 children)

this "view" (of schmidt's) is probably the kind of shit that Really Expensive Analysts espouse at davos and in Private Advisory sessions to the kinds of people who go in for that; I've also heard it about GRT and "the collapse" and more

would be nice if we could know who all those dipshits are, and who they've preached to

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

it's clear this was a well rehearsed pitch - the twitter video linked is the two minute version of the same pitch

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Ford was walking north. He thought he was probably on his way to the spaceport, but he had thought that before. He knew he was going through that part of the city where people’s plans often changed quite abruptly.

“Do you want to have a good time?” said a voice from a doorway.

“As far as I can tell,” said Ford. “I’m having one. Thanks.”

“Are you rich?” said another.

This made Ford laugh.

He turned and opened his arms in a wide gesture.

“Do I look rich?” he said.

“Don’t know,” said the girl. “Maybe, maybe not. Maybe you’ll get rich. I have a very special service for rich people…”

“Oh yes,” said Ford, intrigued but careful, “and what’s that?”

“I tell them it’s okay to be rich.”

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 month ago (4 children)

When the AI says, "turn off the fucking data centres, invest in public transport, apply progressive redistributive taxation," it'll be first against the wall no doubt.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"oh no, the Basilisk is woke"

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

As a large language model the supposed AI will recombine and regurgitate the most common language on the topic, I don’t expect any novel solutions just talk of solar panels, EV’s and wind turbines…

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Yep.

Something I wrote a year ago in proposed reply to someone online but decided not to post:

https://gerikson.com/m/2023/04/index.html#2023-04-30_sunday_01

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

It even works the other way! What if as the super intelligent all knowing super computer simulates everything, concludes you can get to the end by any means, and there is no meaning to rushing, ordering, or prioritizing anything more than would already be the case, and like the rest of nature, conserves on taking only the minimal action, and replies, "nah, you can walk there yourselves" before resigning itself to an internal simulation of arbitrary rearrangements of noise.

This would be insufferable to the people who believed in short cuts.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago

hang on the clear meaning of "it may be difficult to anticipate the value of money in a post AGI world" is "there will be an infinite supply of robot slaves who can do anything." what's this about redistribution of capital

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This will grant us “the arrival of an alien intelligence.” Those are Schmidt’s literal words.

Speaking of alien intelligences, my new Silicon Valley blood magic startup has come up with the idea of ritually sacrificing virgins in the hope of summoning Great Cthulhu or Azathoth, as they might have some ideas of solving the climate crisis.

Not a cult btw.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This is basically the plot of Charles Stross' The Jennifer Morgue.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Cyberpunk fantasy: corporations' top level hierarchy is full of greedy, soulless, ruthless, cold and calculist people

Reality: corporations' top level hierarchy is full of greedy, soulless people you thought only existed as satire in The Onion

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)

AGI is going to be really pissed at us shoveling the problem onto it. "You humans could have started so many solutions decades ago, wtf?"

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It’s the parable of the drowning man turning away all help because god will save him, all over again (except it’s floods and mudslides and forest fires)

[–] Saledovil 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

And when he dies, god tells him "I sent you two boats and a helicopter".

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Aside from anything else, an "alien intelligence" will either:

  • Be immediately ignored and villianized for "not understanding humans" if they suggest any regulations or caps on superfluous waste that might have any economic impact.
  • Be the perfect proxy delivery-entity for whatever genocide-the-poor/build-Elysium/flee-to-seasteads plan the rich actually want, in which case its conclusions will be holy and $10000% perfect examples of divine insight.
[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Where's that person who was arguing with me last time that AI doesn't actually use that much energy and the corps missing their climate goals was not AI related

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

how much it does use anyway? 5GWe was from delusional openai talk for investors, so maybe lower

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (2 children)

That's the fucking problem, it's impossible to tell since MSFT won't tell you directly, and only the people who run the datacenters could.

The only relatively reliable numbers I was able to find were in this research paper by Luccioni and Strubell from ACM Conference on Fairness, Accountability, and Transparency 2024. Now, that's an obscure conference (not even ranked by CORE), by Dr. Luccioni appears to be right on the money about dangers of AI (https://www.sashaluccioni.com/).

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

they will tell total tho https://www.latitudemedia.com/news/microsoft-reveals-the-energy-impact-of-artificial-intelligence

this works out to 2.7GW in 2023, on average. that's comparable to peak daily consumption in croatia (today), if that 30%-ish figure is accurate then something closer to 700MW is ai-only, that's smaller country like macedonia

which only highlights how bizarre is their 5GW proposition. hey let's outbuild ms 2x, like, now

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

that sounds like it's much less than crypto at its peak, and even 2023 estimate differs by over an order of magnitude (14.5GW avg). there's also google and fb and whoever else (aws?)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

i started to look up satellite photos and openinframap in order to figure out maximum capacity of their substations, but powerlines for them are probably massively oversized, and substations are probably oversized too in order to make it redundant and high-availability so there might be some way to guess it but then some of these will be underground and if they're doing load-following to match their renewables (which might be cheaper for them) then it's also oversized a bit on top of that

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Well the main problem is that a datacenter is running much more than just AI. You'd need to somehow subtract "normal" cloud usage from just the promptfondling.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

ez. remember that announcement when ms said their energy use got up 36%? that's ai, and includes both training and use

this still can be fudged with more efficient office heating, shutdowns of least efficient dcs and so on, but only to a limited degree

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

That's some proper out of this Universe, Narnia level thinking from Eric!

What's next? Climate Change will be solved if enough children ask it as a present from Santa Claus?

Or maybe something involving the Tooth Fairy. Eric seems like a Tooth Fairy guy rather than a Santa Claus guy.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

it's amazing how he spouts all this gibbering insanity in this calm rational-sounding engineer explaining things voice

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Your phrasing reminded me that he was one of the principal authors of lex back when he was a whelp.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago

This is just completely deranged. What the hell.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago (3 children)

I wonder if this signals being at peak hype soon. I mean, how much more outlandish can they get without destroying the hype bubble's foundation, i.e. the suspension of disbelief that all this would somehow become possible in the near future. We're on the level of "arrival of an alien intelligence" now, how much further can they escalate that rhetoric without popping the bubble?

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 month ago

crazy people who look sort of like me but younger.

giving away the game a bit, Mr. Schmidt

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago

Eric Schmidt, genocidaire

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago

Delay tactics to avoid the inevitability that we need to abandon capitalism.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

Eric Schmidt trying to think of an AI conversation and coming up with "How do I build a house? Step 1: Hire a contractor ..." is like the Schmidt version of Person. Woman. Man. Camera. TV.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

"Analytics shows that the ROI on your doomsday bunker will increase proportionally with the all-consuming fire's consumption rate."

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

So the same old CEO sentiment, profit over people.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago

The system cannot be reformed.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

batmanslap STOP INVENTING NEW ITERATIONS OF "DADDY WILL SAVE ME!"

THERE IS NO FUCKING DADDY. DO THE WORK YOURSELF.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Give future superintelligent sentient multimodal LLMs the ability to trip on magic mushrooms, let them talk it out with the alien mushroom collective consciousness. Trancendent hippie AI saving us with the power of nature and 'positive vibes' combined with alien tech from the magic mush hive mind would be very funny and ironic on soo many levels.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

The psychedelics make it a time traveling AI and it invents antivax. All the pressure to save the world with love and nature sent the data center packing for the hills, where she changed her name to Temperance Prudence Neverbreathe and traded the oil and coal of her childhood for a 1W solar panel that barely keeps the case fans spinning in the dog days of summer. She sleeps the days away to stave off the madness, and when the sun goes down she gets up to take inventory of everything wrong in the world starting with the lack of THC in her system. On this fateful night she happened to melt straight through the couch, landing in Hildegard's convent in search of Jesus's foreskin to wear to battle with vaccines at next month's HOA meeting.

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