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[–] [email protected] 112 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (2 children)

The evil version of this is when people cite a click bait article, you go to the article and read the attached study and the study is not backing up their claims in any meaningful way. Like come on bro you clearly haven't read this study don't cite it and claim I need to educate myself.

[–] [email protected] 42 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

Average YouTube influencer for me.

It's gotten even worse in the past year. Most of them sound like they're parroting AI summaries of blog posts and sprinkling stupid ass cutaway gags to memes. Like rather than actually consuming the entire body of context around a subject and having an informed take, they're just giving shallow thoughts and trying to monetize.

Any YouTuber whose whole angle is to spicy commentary on current events in tech/programming is definitely part of the trash heap.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I’ve definitely noticed people who challenge anything you say by asking for a source, but make tons of unsourced claims themselves.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Where's your source for this? I've never noticed it so it must not be happening

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 days ago

Sealion infestations are problematic. Be sure to call your local exterminator promptly whenever you encounter one.

[–] [email protected] 95 points 6 days ago (1 children)

The sources are released under a source-available license, you are legally prohibited from reading them

[–] HenriVolney 31 points 6 days ago (3 children)

Or you can get a monthly subscription for only $39.9!

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 6 days ago (2 children)

There are clips out there of FOX news saying "if global warning is real, then why is there a blizzard?!"

[–] [email protected] 31 points 6 days ago (6 children)

Republicans have a hard time understanding nonliterals, it's honestly weird and one of the most common denominators between them I've noticed

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 6 days ago (2 children)

ngl, I don't comment nearly as often anymore out of concern for anything I say to be misconstrued, argued, or wanting verification like this meme. Ya'll, I've got a job and a life, I can't/don't want to sit here and fight people. The worst gets assumed of anything and it gets difficult to have productive, much less positive discourse online.

[–] [email protected] 55 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (6 children)

This is also due to a distinct drop in reader comprehension. One of the largest parts of reading comprehension is being able to infer the intended audience for a particular piece of work. You should be able to read a news article, see a commercial, read a comment, etc and infer who it is aimed at. And the answer is usually not “me”.

People have become accustomed to having an algorithm that is laser focused to their specific preferences. So when they see something that’s not aimed at them it is jarring, and they tend to get upset. Instead of going “oh this clearly isn’t aimed at me, but I can infer who the intended audience is. I’ll move on.” Now they tend to jump on the creator with whataboutisms and imagined offense.

Maybe you make a post about the proper way to throw a football. You’ll inevitably get a few “bUT wHaT abOUt WhEElcHaiR uSerS, I hAvE a baD ShoUlDer aNd cAn’T thROW SO wHaT abOUt me, I haTE FoOtbAll wHY aRe yOU SHowiNG tHIs to Me, etc” types of comments. It’s because those users have lost the ability to infer an intended audience. They automatically assume everything they see is aimed at them, and get offended when it isn’t.

I have even noticed this started to affect the way media is written. Creators tend to make it a point to outright state their intended audience, just to avoid the negative comments.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is my first exposure to this idea and it's quite compelling. Couple that with the perceived tone being argumentative instead of inquisitive or ignorant and that's a recipe for disaster.

The fact the algorithms only care about engagement, positive or negative, means rage bait takes over too so that doesn't help the perception that a question is actually an attack.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

I first heard about it due to my buddy (a high school English teacher) complaining about how his incoming students were incredibly far behind in basic reading comprehension skills. We ended up having a pretty long talk about it, and he mentioned that all of his colleagues have noticed the same thing.

I did some digging, and discovered that language teachers everywhere have basically been lamenting the fact that the upcoming generation just straight up doesn’t know how to interpret media when it falls outside of their personal algorithms. I ended up talking with another buddy of mine (a writer for a magazine) and he mentioned that they have started needing to change the way they write, because people have simply lost the ability to comprehend what they read. Skimming the first one or two paragraphs is the new norm, even for in-depth news articles. So they have to load as much content into the early paragraphs as possible.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 days ago

Hmm good point. Never realized there could be connection with hyper curated algorithm and main character syndrome.

Now I kinda understand why "just look away" makes no sense to these kinda people.

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 6 days ago (17 children)

I literally had to cite the page number from the Consolidated Appropriations Act of 2023 Public Law 117-328 that covered how the $800M that Trump keeps telling everyone FEMA spent on migrants was a completely different fund than the disaster relief fund that FEMA uses for hurricanes. Which the DRF was established originally as it's own fund in the Stafford Disaster Relief and Emergency Assistance Act of 1988 Public Law 100-707

It's page 4,730 where that item is located for anyone wondering.

I fucking hate what online interactions have become. I think I've easily read over 200,000 pages of government legislation, federal regulation, and legal proceedings since June because of the lies one orange shit stain keeps telling. I really do hope that the Republicans can move past that fucker, it was a lot easier to talk politics.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 6 days ago (17 children)

MrFilmKritic on Twitter has the answer for you.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Because they want to exhaust the person engaging in a good faith discussion. It’s far more labor intensive to have to look for, find, verify for contextual correctness, quote and link said sources, then argue why one’s position is factually correct.

And all the other person has to do is cite some patently false bullshit in 5 seconds and disregard the argument.

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[–] [email protected] 73 points 6 days ago (5 children)

The one on the right is a bearded 8 year old who never saw snow. He has a beard due to micro plastics. He thinks all pictures online of snow are AI generated. He’s also an asshole to everyone and rightfully so because his life and planet has been doomed. Welcome to 2034.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

I think it's totally reasonable to ask for a source about a historical claim if something hasn't been true for over a decade?

EDIT: My source for this opinion is here

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I've already had people demand "source?" for the most mundane facts. Why yes steroids do enhance physical ability.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Read the comment above yours, that's where I learned about it

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (6 children)

Or when you bring sources and they straight up ignore them entirely...

I understand not wanting to read or go through the entire Marxist-Leninist books I recommend, not everybody has the time for that, but a 5-20 minute article? You waste more time debating me after the fact than you would have just reading the article, at least do me the courtesy of skimming it and trying to engage with my points.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Marxist-Leninist books I recommend

Such as? Need a book to read next.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Depends, how familiar are you with Marxism?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

The very broad strokes (not red-scared).

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You've got a bit of a choose your own adventure!

If you consider yourself a liberal and generally against AES like the USSR, PRC, Cuba, etc, Blackshirts and Reds is a fantastic critical reexamination and reads very well. Nothing but constant truth bombs.

If you want to get into Marxism, I recommend The Principles of Communism followed by Socialism: Utopian and Scientific as well as Elementary Principles of Philosophy. An intro/FAQ of Communism, followed by the history of Socialism and how and why Marxism answers the problems with previous Utopian Socialists, and finally the best work on the philosophical aspect of Marxism, Dialectical and Historical Materialism.

If you want some quick reads, I love Why Do Marxists Fail to Bring the "Worker's Paradise?" as well as Socialism Developed China, Not Capitalism. Modern analysis, 20 minute reads, based on what we currently know and not written back in the period of Marx.

Finally, if you consider yourself a Marxist already, The State and Revolution as well as Imperialism, The Highest Stage of Capitalism are both Lenin's most significant works.

Really though, the modern works and Blackshirts and Reds are great primers before delving into Marx, Engels, and Lenin themselves.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Woah! Thanks for the tips!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

No problem! If you finish them all and for some reason want more, I have plenty of other recommendations, and you can DM me if you have any questions. I personally really like reading the modern author I linked, they have a bunch of niche, specific essays like Dialectical Matetialism in the context of Quantum Mechanics (makes sense if you've read Elementary Principles of Philosophy) or Marxism vs Anarchism, or why Cooperatives aren't Marxist (not a purity test! They are socialist but not Marxist). Have fun!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 days ago

A cool book I like is This Soviet World. It shows the Soviet Union as experienced by the author in the 1930s.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 6 days ago (2 children)

Already feels like this sometimes

Source?

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 5 days ago (2 children)

If somebody would ask for a source it would already be a big improvement. Usually you are just classified as idiot if you dare to have a different view.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 5 days ago (5 children)

Family Member: Russia needs to invade Ukraine because they need a shield against NATO.

Me: But NATO wasn't going to attack them. It's a defensive organization.

That's what THEY want you to believe. (Was not able to clarify who "they" were during conversation, but got the impression it wasn't nato)

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 6 days ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 31 points 6 days ago (5 children)

Let's not vilify people asking for citations. With AI it's more important than ever to verify what you're reading.

[–] [email protected] 71 points 6 days ago (2 children)

I'm absolutely okay with vilifying people asking for sources on the historical existence of snow.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 days ago (6 children)

I've heard a saying, two things you should never do on the Internet are argue or explain. It takes up a lot of mental energy and time to do it for no reward.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 5 days ago (2 children)

I think in many cases the people who explain things are doing a huge service. They’re silently appreciated by many. The true GOATs of the internet.

I’ve read so many great explanations on Reddit for things in math, science, literature, etc and I feel very grateful to the people who explained them.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 5 days ago

I rather have a source to support a claim instead of "but it's how I feel so it's real! Scientists don't know anything, stop debunk my feelings with facts because I know I'm right! I read it on Facebook!"

We need more reliable and supported sources and less fake news.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 6 days ago (1 children)

People are interested in sourcing of information in 2034? I see that as an absolute win.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 days ago

You get people who believe jet contrails only started appearing in the 90s even though that they didn’t is literally within living memory.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 5 days ago (2 children)

And that's the same person who makes wild absurd claims but well just go off the rails and tell you to do your own research

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 days ago

I asked my employer provided AI assistant if this is true and it assured me that natural snowfall was disinformation invented by leftists in order to destroy our capitalist utopia.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 6 days ago (7 children)

Winter is on its way out due to climate change. In around the year 2100, it's estimated that there will only be 3 seasons left, no winter. And summer will be much longer and much hotter. So the 3 seasons will be spring, then a 2-season long summer basically, then fall. That's it.

But you can already see the disappearance of winter today because there's much less snow and it's much warmer than like 30 years ago. (Speaking for Germany)

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 days ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 13 points 5 days ago

It's gotten to a point where I just go ahead append a warning that I have no source and am just making casual conversation.

Source: my previous comment on Lemmy.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 6 days ago (4 children)

No, that's the current trend here (Switzerland plains).

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