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[–] [email protected] 217 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

Amusing, clever, but extremely fake.

This is a GE Café CFE28/CYE22 refrigerator and it definitely does not run Windows. You can use its little LCD screen as a digital photo frame, though, and there's a USB port for that purpose tucked beneath the lower edge of the bezel under the buttons. Somebody's just made an image of this fake "Windows update" screen and put it in the photo frame rotation.

[–] [email protected] 133 points 2 months ago (4 children)

still more tech than it needs

[–] [email protected] 62 points 2 months ago (7 children)

Don't know why the downvotes. You are absolutely correct.

My fridge doesn't even have a screen, but it has wifi. Wifi!! You do one thing. You are a box designed to keep my food cold. I set the temperature, and I forget that exists.

Anyway, we bought it when we bought our house. The previous owner offered to include all the appliances in the contract so it was nice to not have to buy any appliances. But that refrigerator stays OFF my network.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 months ago (1 children)

but think of all the frosty bitcoins you could be mining!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

~~you~~ some botnet operator could be mining

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I know the real objective is mining your data and acting as an insecure node for identity thieves to access. But what is its stated objective? I have no idea why anyone would think that is a positive.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

Indeed, you're better off buying a dumb fridge and attaching your own iot device amiright

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (2 children)

It just sits there, silently plotting revenge...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

“The minute I see an unprotected WiFi your personal data is soooo screwed.”
— the fridge, probably

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I'm OK with it for some things tbh. With a wifi fridge for example I can know if it stops working and the temp starts rising before I have a fridge full of spoiled food. With an oven I can know if I left the house with it still running. With the washer/dryer I can get notified when I need to fold the cloths before they get wrinkled. I think connected appliances have more useful applications than people give them credit for.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago (3 children)

Something that might happen once in ten years isn't worth the additional security surface exposure. IMO

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago

I have a small child. It's not just mechanical failure. Then again, I've got a separate network for IoT things. They can't see anything by each other and their controller. Unfortunately, most of the IoT appliances do NOT like this setup.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

With a wifi fridge for example I can know if it stops working and the temp starts rising before I have a fridge full of spoiled food

A built in alarm sound would achieve the same goal without running the risk of your fridge becoming part of a botnet

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (2 children)

Alarm is going to have to be pretty loud for me to hear it many miles away.

[–] zalgotext 3 points 2 months ago (2 children)

The notification on your phone or whatever also isn't super useful if you're many miles away.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Sure it is. I have family friends and neighbors.

[–] zalgotext 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

K, but if you're expecting someone to be at your home to immediately inspect your malfunctioning refrigerator, then we're back to an audible alarm being just as good

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You're making up a hypothetical situation where it might not work. I've literally done this and my brother saved hundreds of dollars of food from spoiling while I was on vacation by moving it to his fridge/freezer.

[–] zalgotext 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm glad it worked out for you in that one instance, but I'm not worried enough about my fridge breaking down to where I need to constantly monitor it remotely. Refrigerators are an incredibly old, well developed, reliable technology. The added hassle of an Internet connection isn't worth it to me. If it is to you then fine, but your single anecdote is worth about as much as my hypotheticals, unless we're talking about some novel, untested refrigeration technology.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

My anecdote at least happened. Your hypothetical by definition never did. The internet connection I haven't thought about since I installed the fridge. Not sure where the hassle is.

Also I don't understand why you think refrigerators are incredibly reliable. Compressor pumps and start capacitors are damn near consumables now days.

[–] zalgotext 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I've never experienced any critical part of a refrigerator break in my >30 years on this earth. Sorry you can't say the same.

The hassle isn't just in connecting it to the Wi-Fi, it's in securing and monitoring it to ensure it stays secure, so that I'm not giving people a foothold into my home network.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Yeah, honestly I don't want to have to stress about something that can't be fixed and might otherwise ruin a day out or vacation.

If my dog dies don't tell me till I'm back from vacation kinda thing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

Get a bigger speaker

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

With a wifi fridge for example I can know if it stops working

You can also do that with a simple smart plug with energy monitoring. You can get a 4 pack for $35.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"not that iot device, use this one instead and get less function out of it"

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

You can get 4 ZigBee smart plugs with energy monitoring for $35. These are not IOT devices and if you just want to know if the fridge is running, these will do that, with the added benefit of allowing you to leave the fridge's WiFi disconnected, which is a security gain.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

The zwave alliance disagrees that it's not an IoT platform (https://z-wavealliance.org/ Literally the title of the page calls it IoT). Also, how much power it consumes doesn't necessarily tell you if the fridge is running and it certainly doesn't tell you what the temperature inside the refrigerator is. Even a compressor pump zero refrigerant still inside the loop can consume power just spinning the motor.

Edit: Apparently saw zigbee and read zwave but the point stands https://csa-iot.org/all-solutions/zigbee/ (the standards body that controls the zigbee protocol).

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

With a wifi fridge for example I can know if it stops working and the temp starts rising before I have a fridge full of spoiled food.

You don't need a wifi fridge for this. My wife and I manage this via Home Assistant and cheap Switchbot sensors. Fully self contained on my network, nothing to phone home anywhere.

The rest of the things you listed are kind of silly. If you left the oven on, that sucks, but you're already gone. Also, who sets the oven on before leaving the house? That's just an odd... like, really odd thing to do. Like, senility/dementia level odd, at which point what difference is a notification? And the dryer thing... well, that's nothing a 15 minute wrinkle cycle doesn't already solve on a dumb dryer.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago (1 children)

"not that iot device, use this one instead and get less function out of it"

Wrinkle cycles don't work as well as getting the laundry while it's still hot. It reduces it some but not as much as getting the laundry when it's still hot. It also wastes a fair bit of energy to run the dryer for another 15 minutes instead of just telling me when it's done.

And it's not a dementia thing, it's an adhd+generalized anxiety thing. Piece of mind is pretty valuable to me and mine.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

And it’s not a dementia thing, it’s an adhd+generalized anxiety thing. Piece of mind is pretty valuable to me and mine.

That's a fair take. I dunno, the potential security vulnerabilities outweigh any possible gains for me with most IOT devices, and I feel smart appliances are just more complicated to fix and more easily break down. Plus, the last thing I need is my washer to brick or my fridge to stop working from a botched firmware update.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 months ago

But if you get the app you can unlock the crisper drawer+ for only $11.99/mo and get those extra fresh veggies that you crave!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 months ago

To be fair, making a device wifi connected is stupid cheap nowadays. That being said, you bet your ass they're harvesting data.

My parents got a fridge with a similar feature and no screen (they didn't know it had that) but I was curious and hooked it to the IOT network. Literally the only smart feature it exposed was a door open sensor...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

not advocating for all IoT products, but some fridges have internal cameras (allows you i remotely access and figure out what you have and dont have), and some also have product expiring tracking so that it can warn you if something is approaching thr best buy date so you can use it up soon or throw it away.

washer and dryer IoT projects to me tend to be pretty terrible.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 months ago (2 children)

But but but but but this is our "upmarket" model and we need some kind of rationalization to upsell people to it over the Profile PFE28/PYE22 which is the same fucking refrigerator mechanically minus the screen and with different handles, but this one costs 30% more.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 months ago

Doesn’t even have AI, how am I supposed to know what to eat

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

You know a lot about refrigerator models

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 months ago (2 children)

We ran out of things we need about the time we learned how to filter water and grow wheat.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'm ok with the further progress into antibiotics, vaccines, surgery, all that good stuff.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

I'd be a cripple if not for our progress with surgery. I'm very glad to live in an era of modern medicine.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

Apparently, some politician tried to shutdown the patent office in the nineteenth century because "everything that can be invented has been invented."

edit: no need for "I" there.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

You can use its little LCD screen as a digital photo frame

Whhhhhhhyyyyyyy

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago

So you can run Doom on it, duh.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

I just wanted some water...

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 months ago

I have to admit I would like to do the same with my fridge.

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[–] rustydrd 18 points 2 months ago

Updating

Windows

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