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The post Xitter web has spawned soo many “esoteric” right wing freaks, but there’s no appropriate sneer-space for them. I’m talking redscare-ish, reality challenged “culture critics” who write about everything but understand nothing. I’m talking about reply-guys who make the same 6 tweets about the same 3 subjects. They’re inescapable at this point, yet I don’t see them mocked (as much as they should be)

Like, there was one dude a while back who insisted that women couldn’t be surgeons because they didn’t believe in the moon or in stars? I think each and every one of these guys is uniquely fucked up and if I can’t escape them, I would love to sneer at them.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

I'm not in support of Effective Altruism as an organization, I just understand what it's like to get caught up in fear and worry over if what you're doing and donating is actually helping. I donate to a variety of causes whenever I have the extra money, and sometimes it can be really difficult to assess which cause needs your money more. Due to this, I absolutely understand how innocent people get caught up in EA in a desire to do the maximum amount of good for the world. However, EA as an organization is incredibly shady. u/Evinceo provided this great article: https://www.truthdig.com/articles/effective-altruism-is-a-welter-of-fraud-lies-exploitation-and-eugenic-fantasies/

Man, that hits close to home. It's a hard sell to sneer at people ostensibly doing their best to do good. Any kind of altruism, particularly one ostensibly focused on at least trying to be effective, feels like a such a rare treat that I feel like the worst kind of buzzkill letting newcomers know what cynical doomer ass death obsessed sex cult (and not even in a kinkily cool way*) a big chunk of EA and other TESCRL are. I can relate to them in so many ways, especially remembering what my teenage self was like, but at the same time it's weirdly hard to articulate how immature those opinions (some of which) I used to, and they continue to hold, are**.

Anyway, charity is a symptom of the failure of society. Luxury is a human right. Profit is exploitation. Nobody gets a billion dollars without mass homicide.

* but unfortunately often in an uncool, very rapey way
** not all of them, there are levels of cringe I managed to avoid even in my teenage years

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

New piece from Ars Technica: Meta smart glasses can be used to dox anyone in seconds, study finds:

Two Harvard students recently revealed that it's possible to combine Meta smart glasses with face image search technology to "reveal anyone's personal details," including their name, address, and phone number, "just from looking at them."

In a Google document, AnhPhu Nguyen and Caine Ardayfio explained how they linked a pair of Meta Ray Bans 2 to an invasive face search engine called PimEyes to help identify strangers by cross-searching their information on various people-search databases. They then used a large language model (LLM) to rapidly combine all that data, making it possible to dox someone in a glance or surface information to scam someone in seconds—or other nefarious uses, such as "some dude could just find some girl’s home address on the train and just follow them home,” Nguyen told 404 Media.

This is all possible thanks to recent progress with LLMs, the students said.

Putting my off-the-cuff thoughts on this:

  1. Right off the bat, I'm pretty confident AR/smart glasses will end up dead on arrival - I'm no expert in marketing/PR, but I'm pretty sure "our product helped someone dox innocent people" is the kind of Dasani-level disaster which pretty much guarantees your product will crash and burn.

  2. I suspect we're gonna see video of someone getting punched for wearing smart glasses - this story's given the public a first impression of smart glasses that boils down to "this person's a creep", and its a lot easier to physically assault someone wearing smart glasses than some random LLM

  3. This is a gut feeling I've had since Baldur talked about AI's public image nearly three months ago, but this gives me further reason to expect the public are gonna be outright hostile to the tech industry once the AI bubble pops.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

100%. This criti-hype is going to blow up in their faces. "They" being, in order:

  1. AnhPhu Nguyen and Caine Ardayfio
  2. Meta
  3. PimEyes

In addition to your analysis, I'd like to point out that this reads just like the Rabbit R1, but for stalkers who also have a deep craving to look like an insufferable dork. This whole thing could be, and already is, an app -- if someone needs this kind of evil bullshit, clearview.ai been around forever.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

(Another post so soon? Another post so soon.)

"Gen AI competes with its training data, exhibit 1,764":

exhibit 1764

Also got a quick sidenote, which spawned from seeing this:

This is pure gut feeling, but I suspect that "AI training" has become synonymous with "art theft/copyright infringement" in the public consciousness.

Between AI bros publicly scraping against people's wishes (Exhibit A, Exhibit B, Exhibit C), the large-scale theft of data which went to produce these LLMs' datasets, and the general perception that working in AI means you support theft (Exhibit A, Exhibit B), I wouldn't blame Joe Public for treating AI as inherently infringing.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

https://xcancel.com/karpathy/status/1841848120897912967#m

jfc

Edit: replaced screenshot of tweet + description with link to tweet

[–] [email protected] 15 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (6 children)

from this post (archive)

App developers think that’s a bogus argument. Mr. Bier told me that data he had seen from start-ups he advised suggested that contact sharing had dropped significantly since the iOS 18 changes went into effect, and that for some apps, the number of users sharing 10 or fewer contacts had increased as much as 25 percent.

aww, does the widdle app's business model collapse completely once it can't harvest data? how sad

this reinforces a suspicion that I've had for a while: the only reason most people put up with any of this shit is because it's an all or nothing choice and they don't know the full impact (because it's intentionally obscured). the moment you give them an overt choice that makes them think about it, turns out most are actually not fine with the state of affairs

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 hours ago

@froztbyte @jwz Not the biggest Apple fan, but you got to give them credit: with privacy changes in their OSs, they regularly expose all the predatory practices lots of social media companies are running on.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago

@froztbyte @blakestacey they fat-finger it and regret it later

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 hours ago

@froztbyte @blakestacey I really need to get on the apple ecosystem

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

@froztbyte @blakestacey

There are so many features of modern applications and platforms that I have to wonder why anybody would have thought it was a good idea, this is just one of them. Sharing your contacts shouldn't even be an option. As somebody else in this thread put it, it's not your data.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 hours ago

@froztbyte @blakestacey
Let me play world's saddest song...

[–] [email protected] 5 points 12 hours ago

@froztbyte I’m so unsympathetic to that notion.

Also, literally zero of my friends here came via my phone’s contacts.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

As previously mentioned, the "Behind the Bastards" podcast is tackling Curtis Yarvin. I'm just past the first ad intermission (why are all podcast ads just ads for other podcasts? It's like podcast incest), and according to the host, Yarvin models his ideal society on Usenet pre-Eternal September.

This is something I've noticed too (I got on the internet just before). There's a nostalgia for the "old" internet, which was supposed to be purer and less ad-infested than the current fallen age. Usenet is often mentioned. And I've always thought that's dumb because the old internet was really really exclusionary. You had to be someone in academia or internet business, so you were Anglophone, white, and male. The dream of the old pure internet is a dream of an internet without women or people of color, people who might be more expressive in media other than 7 bit ASCII.

This was a reminder that the nostalgia can be coded fascist, too.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 12 hours ago

(why are all podcast ads just ads for other podcasts? It’s like podcast incest)

Because they think you live in a real country, not the USA.

old internet

I wonder for how many people this is a reactionary impulse, wanting back to the 'old internet' they didn't actually participate in. At least in modern days the flamewar posts are quite limited in length, in the old days they could reach novel sizes. Anyway sure we should go back to the old internet, where suddenly your whole university had no internet because there was a dos attack on the network to force a netsplit on an a random irc channel.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (1 children)

I have a lot of time for nostalgia about older versions of the web, but it really ticks me off when people who actively participated in making the web worse start to indulge in nostalgia about the web. Doesn't Yarvin get a lot of money from Peter Thiel?

There were women and people of colour on the old web, and feminists and radical anti-racists too - they were just outnumbered and outgunned. One of the earliest projects listed on the cyberfeminism index are VNS Matrix, who were "corrupting the discourse" way back in 1991.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 16 hours ago

To be perfectly fair i was a very callow youth at the time and probably bounced off stuff like that had I come in contact with it.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

why are all podcast ads just ads for other podcasts? It’s like podcast incest

I'm thinking combination of you probably having set all your privacy settings to non serviam and most of their sponsors having opted out of serving their ads to non US listeners.

I did once get some random scandinavian sounding ads, but for the most part it's the same for me, all iheart podcast trailers.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 16 hours ago

The funniest thing I got was ads for Maybelline in a podcast about WW2. Know your audience!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 21 hours ago

The YouTube version doesn't have the ads

[–] [email protected] 7 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

basilisk save us from breathless idiocy by rubes

Altman’s investors will have had to get comfortable with at least four levels of intricacy.

ah yes the four-fold path of investing, the true religion

More head-scratching is OpenAI’s governance. Altman was ousted last year, then swiftly returned.

“I cannot look at this and analyse the power structure, and thus I am very confused as to how this happened”

But investors making that call today must surely be powered more by instinct than intelligence.

“must surely”? call the builders, we’ve found a new ultra-strong load bearing phrase

[–] [email protected] 7 points 12 hours ago

Comparing it to Tesla certainly is a choice. I'm amazed at how many ways the cybertruck has found to die on people for example. More varied ways to crash and burn than nethack.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 21 hours ago

(also h/t to @self who I just realized was the one that retooted the thing where I saw this)

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

This exchange on HN, from the Wordpress meltdown, is going to make an amazing exhibit in the upcoming trial:

Anonymous: Matt, I mean this sincerely: get yourself checked out. Do you have a carbon monoxide detector in your house? … Go to a 10 day silent retreat, or buy a ranch in Montana and host your own Burning Man…

Matt Mullenweg: Thanks, I carry a co2 and carbon monoxide monitor. … I do own a place in Montana, and I meditate several times a day.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago) (1 children)

A redditor has a pinned post on /r/technology. They claim to be at a conference with Very Important Promptfondlers in Berlin. The OP feels like low-effort guerilla marketing, tbh; the US will dominate the EU due to an overwhelming superiority in AI, long live the new flesh, Emmanuel Macron is on board so this is SUPER SERIOUS, etc.

PS: the original poster, /u/WillSen, self-identifies as CEO of a bootcamp/school called "codesmith," and has lots of ideas about how to retrain people to survive in the longed-for post-AI hellscape. So yeah, it's an ad.

https://old.reddit.com/r/technology/comments/1fufbfm/im_a_tech_ceo_at_the_berlin_global_dialogue_w/

The central problem of 21st century democracy will be finding a way to inoculate humanity against confident bullshitters. That and nature trying to kill us. Oh, and capitalism in general, but I repeat myself.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 hours ago

that thread’s so dense with marketing patterns and critihype, it’s fucking shameless. whenever anyone brings up why generative AI sucks, the OP “yes and”s it into more hype — like when someone brings up how LLMs shit themselves fast if they train on LLM-generated text, the fucker parries it to a “oh the ARM guy said he’s investing in low-hallucination LLMs and that’ll solve it”. like… what? no it fucking will not, those are two different problems (and throwing money at LLMs sure as fuck doesn’t seem to be fixing hallucinations so far either way)

the worst part is this basic shit seems to work if the space is saturated with enough promptfondlers. it’s the same tactic as with crypto, and it’s why these weird fucks always want you on their discord, and why they always try to take up as much space as possible in discussions outside of that. it’s the soft power of being able to shout down dissenting voices.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I have only just noticed that this is dated a year in the future

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

acausal sneers from our superpredictors

[–] [email protected] 5 points 20 hours ago

blake is rather more advanced in physics than we had anticipated

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Voted sneerer most likely to build a fully-functional time machine!

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

New post from Ed Zitron just dropped which goes into a lotta detail on OpenAI's finances around the time the deal was closing.

I've already cracked one Kendrick reference, so fuck it:

psst I see dead people

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Given the proliferation of libertarians in SV, Ed probably wouldn't even need to change the "A-minor" line is all I'm saying.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Found while poking around today: the Wikipedia club for cleaning up after AI.

Example: the article Leninist historiography was entirely written by AI and previously included a list of completely fake sources in Russian and Hungarian at the bottom of the page.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

ah, sweet, manmade horrors beyond my comprehension:

manmade horrors

(This would've been more shocking to me in 2023, but after over a year in this bubble I have stopped expecting anything resembling basic human decency from those who work in AI)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Not a lawyer, but wouldn't that be something her estate could kick up some legal dust about? That's two dozen kind of fucked up.

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