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History of Australia (hexbear.net)

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[+] [email protected] 56 points 4 months ago (2 children)

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 4 months ago (2 children)

I do not understand the need to whitewash (hah!) indigenous history to erase wars and conflict. Humans fight each other, and indigenous humans are human just like white humans.

What they didn't do is war at the scale that white people have done. That's the innovation.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

the need to whitewash (hah!) indigenous history to erase wars and conflict

"The noble savage" myth thing rearing its' ugly head again, not too different than "only aliens could have built the pyramids/Machu Pichu/the Moai".

I wonder why they never say the same thing about the Parthenon, or the Great Wall of China, or so many huge structures in India. Some may be a little more recent, sure, but it's all still about lifting pretty big rocks.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

“The noble savage” myth thing rearing its’ ugly head again, not too different than "only aliens could have built the pyramids/Machu Pichu/the Moai.

It's very sad. As someone who is deeply interested in the reasoning and behaviors of cultures at war, how they justify themselves, how they justify their actions, their policies and dispositions, it always upsets me when I see the notion that everyone except white folk, or by some of the more slightly-aware advocates, everyone except complex settled societies, lived in peace and harmony. But it's just another projection of moral judgement on an issue that shouldn't have it. Other cultures are not fables for you to teach your own rotted society, where the children no longer respect their elders and everyone is ~~writing a book~~ starting a podcast; they're unique and multifaceted societies that deserve accurate study in their own right.

Pre-state societies are often very violent, which is part of the reason why examining their tools for conflict resolution is so important. With weak centralized decision-making structures (like a state or commune-esque protostate), people have to get creative, and it's very fascinating.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

I am intrigued by your views and would like to subscribe to your newsletter.

[–] Danquebec 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

This is a very fascinating topic to me as well and would love to learn more.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Anthropology deals with it a lot!

[–] Danquebec 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I'm aware. It's hard for me to navigate anthropology though. I can find some info on the Web, but I don't really know what to look for, with books.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Helps to know it's divided into 4 sub-diciplines: Physical Anthro, Cultural Anthro, Archeology, and Linguistics. Each of these would approach the various questions through their own lense, finding the one that matches your topic interest best. You're probably gonna want to look for things regarding cultural anthro, since that's gonna handle the "why" of war more directly

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Yes, but that's not good propaganda which is 95% of the reason the disinformation hub Hexbear exists.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (2 children)

a segment of lemmy loves to look down condescendingly on folks from .ml and hexbear

two quick questions though, how did a discuss on Australia turn into you accusing hexbear users? and what's your .world alt?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

folks

Not accurate to call them that, plenty of them are LLMs.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

Might be because the image is a Hexbear link, though this is probably one of the least objectionable things I've ever seen from Hexbear.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Hey, that sounds like the history of Canada too!

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago (2 children)

And the USA! And most of Europe before the Romans!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

And everywhere else on the planet throughout human history.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Technically, most of that is pre-history, since history is defined as the written record of what happened in the past.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Which is a pretty stupid definition that lots of historians nowadays dont really agree with anymore

[–] [email protected] 30 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Image with better resolution

[–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

Now?! When I read it squinting?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Was easier for me to look for a readable version than to strain my eyes.

Oddly, the numbers in the 9th and 10th panels are different between the cartoonist's tumblr (my link) and facebook (op image) versions.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Why does this kid have demon bug eyes?

[–] MeDuViNoX 6 points 4 months ago

I'm pretty sure they're just empty eye sockets... Which makes me wonder why he's pretending to read the paper? 🤔

[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

TIL the word corroboree, neat.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (3 children)

https://www.sbs.com.au/mygrandmotherslingo/

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

That was really cool, thanks for sharing

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

Happy Cakeday! 🍰🎂

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Can't use that, super broken

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago

It works fine for me on my desktop using Firefox with NoScript to block facebook, google and whatever ensighten is. Probably not the cause of your issues though, but in case it is.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago

Wow the cartoonist really destroyed their opponent in this imaginary scenario!

Also why tf does the boy have demonic eyes

[–] [email protected] 0 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Yeah this is fantasy.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 months ago

Yeah this is fantasy.

Oh, I thought this meme was meant to be a documentary on school-age children. Now that I know that it isn't, I can...

... what do I do with this information, again?

Seriously, I might quibble as to the line between history and prehistory (which a good portion of that 60,000 years would be), but there's nothing here that's fundamentally wrong.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

Thanks for clarifying. I thought this web comic was a word for word script of a real life conversation /s