hack the Trump campaign amount to “an act of war,” according to Republican Senator Lindsey Graham
But when russia does it...
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Of course Lindsey Graham can only think about buttery males
It's less "Russia hacked Trump's campaign" and more like "Russia is conspiring with Trump's campaign."
Russia hacked the democrats campaign in 2015 and 2016 and for instance they released Hillary Clintons emails.
But MAGA idiots think that's stellar, and Russia is now an ally to MAGA. Showing clearly the entire MAGA movement are traitors.
He should go over and fight em then
Grease 'im up and throw him in the ring, it'll be hilarious.
So Lindsey, what was it when we assassinated an Iranian general?
Its hilarious to me that Iran handled the assassination of their top general more gracefully than the Republicans handled losing an election.
Yeah, not like last time when they shot down their own passenger airliner.
Ridiculous. Dude was a uniformed soldier.
Iranian officials have denied involvement in any plot to assassinate Trump and called the hacking accusation "unsubstantiated and devoid of any standing."
Where is the assassination attempt coming from?
Article says Trump's campaign claims the FBI said it. Which doesn't mean shit, Trump's campaign (and especially the piece of shit quoted) lie about damn near everything.
The DOJ announced the arrest of a man working on behalf of Iran attempting to recruit assassins a couple of weeks ago:
No. That says a man who had recently visited the Middle East, and make no mention of a specified target...
That is in no way the same as "Iran tried to assassinate trump".
Court documents do not identify any of the potential targets. But U.S. officials acknowledged in July that a threat on Donald Trump’s life from Iran prompted additional security in the days before a Pennsylvania rally in which Trump was injured by a shooter’s bullet. That July 13 shooting, carried out by a 20-year-old Pennsylvania man, was unrelated to the Iran threat and Merchant’s arrest has no connection to the Trump assassination attempt, a law enforcement official said.
This is a story that has been building for a few months. While I'm not particularly convinced that this specific threat was particularly credible, there's been plenty of reporting that the Biden DOJ is taking this seriously.
It's not really surprising to me that Iran would want Trump dead. I don't think they were anywhere close to actually accomplishing that, but I can certainly believe they'd try.
Yes, Trump and the rest of the rightwing are going to blow it up into something bigger than what actually happened, but it's important to understand the truth in the lie because the story is potentially consequential in the wider relationship between the US and Iran.
That's still not showing any connection to the Iranian government...
Just that this guy has a wife and children that live in Iran...
Which is a pretty good reason why he spends time in Iran btw.
In your quote the "from Iran" just doesn't mean what you think it means
I understand this might seem a little pedantic, but the difference is fucking huge and trump's campaign is exploiting the same misunderstanding that you're having right now
In fact, there are a couple of other possibilities.
He's a lone wolf who just happens to have a connection to Iran.
He's based in Iran but actually working for Hamas or Hezbollah.
He actually is working for Iran but not going after the former prez (being deemed too hard of a target after two assassination attempts), rather they might aim for former VP Mike Pence, or Bolton again.
Some combination of the above (e.g. a lone wolf going after Bolton).
I suppose we'll just have to wait the trial and see what the investigation uncovers.
My "misunderstanding" is having followed this story for more than a single headline.
Marcy Wheeler has written extensively about it for months now. She's been at the center of the story to the extent that she was one of the journalists that (presumably Iran) attempted to leak hacked Trump campaign documents through. She's very adamantly of the stance that there is a real threat because it's been corroborated by multiple sources who don't have any interest in propping up Trump.
I fear that, because of the polarization Trump has deliberately stoked, many lefties are doing the same thing that Trump’s MAGAts did with Russia: treat credible allegations that Iran is targeting him, both for hacking and assassination, as a hoax.
Regarding the hacking, as happened in 2016, it is not just the Intelligence Community (one, two) attributing the hack in real time. Both Microsoft and Google have described the operation. As I explained repeatedly regarding the 2016 Russian attack, big American tech companies have a similar kind of global reach as the NSA, and when someone uses their infrastructure to target someone, they have both the tools and an independent incentive to get the attribution right. There’s really no reason to doubt the attribution, from three of the entities with the best global reach in the world, that Iran targeted Trump’s campaign.
Regarding Iran’s attempt to assassinate Trump, there’s also no reason to doubt that. While the case against Asif Merchant, whom DOJ accused of trying to solicit a variety of operations targeting Trump, does rely on undercover FBI employees posing as wannabe hitmen, the underlying tip — from the guy Merchant allegedly asked for help recruiting a hit team — appears to be organic, just someone calling the cops. Plus, the effort bears certain resemblance to the effort to solicit assassins for John Bolton, arising from the same motive of revenge for the Qassem Soleimani killing.
Trump's a blowhard. He's absolutely going to use the story as a wedge. Don't do his work for him by dismissing the possibility of what appear to be real threats out of hand.
I'm not saying we know the exact nature of what's going on or that any threat is particularly immediate; what I am saying is that there's enough information available from sources that aren't affiliated with Trump that the possibility should be taken seriously.
there’s also no reason to doubt that
Yet she offers absolutely zero evidence it is connected to Iran's government...
You're conflating evidence of them hacking, and saying that proves there was a state sponsored effort to recruit an assain to kill trump.
We do t even know if he's the target...
What is so hard to understand about literally any of this?
I've honestly ran out of ways to keep saying the two very basic points here
I’ve honestly ran out of ways to keep saying the two very basic points here
Repeating yourself does seem to be your priority here.
If you had actually read through the piece I linked instead of looking for something to immediately disagree with in the snippet I quoted, you'd see she linked to this story. The entire reason we're hearing about this now is because Trump was briefed on the threat by US intelligence and Trump is literally incapable of not immediately repeating what he's been told.
And if you took 20 seconds to Google after that, you'd find that the DNI has publicly confirmed that the briefing with Trump happened. Additionally, the same story has Anthony Blinken confirming that the US has been tracking Iranian threats against Trump as well as other past and current officials. It even links to multiple previous reports discussing an increased threat profile dating back months just like I said was the case.
My point is that Trump is not the only source and that there's been corroboration from parties who really don't care about making Trump look good. I'm not inclined to believe the story because Trump said it and, yes, Trump is absolutely a liar; I'm inclined to believe it because it's been fairly widely reported well before Trump said anything at all.
He has a connection to Iran - wife and kids live there. Not as strong as saying he works for or is an agent of the gov't there, though. The devil's advocate might say that, "he's got kids in Iran so Iran has the power to compel him to do this, and of course Iran isn't going to issue him a gov't ID that says gov't assassin recruiter if anything they'd try to distance themselves as much as possible to give themselves plausible deniability."
Still, it's reasonable to ask for evidence. I'd imagine more proof is forthcoming soon though - the FBI usually doesn't comment on active investigations, which this would be (if the FBI is really investigating it, as opposed to the CIA or some other agency).
It's buried a couple links in from the original article, but https://www.newsweek.com/new-iranian-plot-assassinate-donald-trump-everything-we-know-1925988
The report from CNN detailed that U.S. National Security officials and members of the U.S. Secret Service were notified of the Iranian plot to assassinate Trump prior to his rally over the weekend.
They're setting up to back Israel in yet another 20 years of war
No setup needed. Israel is an ally and a democracy, and the West isn't going to let Iran gobble it up for any reason, let alone to be part of some delusional far-right pan-Islamist caliphate with ambitions of an actual genocide.
This position has nearly unanimous support in the annals of government throughout the western world, and nearly unanimous, bipartisan support in DC. Many of the foreign-made bombs Israel is dropping right now were made in the 80's and 90's. They don't drop the new shit. They drop the old shit. We've already armed them for the next twenty years. Again: ally, young democracy, surrounded by total nutters: no setup needed.
Perhaps he should step down in the interest of national security and his own safety.
Lindsey Graham (Wormtail) is completely irrelevant. All he ever wants to do is to go to war and get fucked by young male prostitutes.
Oh fuck off, Graham.
Killing cheeto Mussolini would be an act of war, and an act of peace - but most of all, Graham can fuck right off.
I feel like under different less orange circumstances I may agree.
But I have a deeply flawed personality and don't agree.
I'm sure any politician will understand.
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