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Well, here it is!

A few days ago, I made a post appealing for information relating to animal product usage in the music instrument industry. Historically, musical instruments have used animal products. Typically, drumheads were made of animal skin, piano keys of ivory, and violin bows of horsehair. A lot of these processes have been phased out (most drums use Mylar for their skins now, and ivory was banned for pianos in the 80s.)

Here are some patterns I've noticed while creating this sheet:

  1. Drums and harmonicas are the "most vegan" instruments
  2. Acoustic pianos are much more likely to use wool than electric pianos
  3. The violin industry is the worst for animal products. Most violin manufacturers still use bows with horsehair.
  4. Manufacturers specialising in introductory/student products, such as Sigma and Franz Hoffmann, tend to use animal-derived materials rather than synthetic ones.
  5. Actual saxophones are vegan, but a lot of manufacturers use genuine leather straps. All companies that use leather for their straps have been labelled as orange. Trumpets, flugel horns, tubas, and trombones are seemingly okay regardless of manufacturer. Some flutes used to use ivory but again, this practice was banned in 1989.
  6. I discovered that clarinets tend to use goat skin for their pads. Unfortunately, I could not find any information on exactly which companies use animal skin for their clarinets. Sorry.

Another thing I've noticed is that information relating to this topic is EXTREMELY muddy. I would often find a source claiming that a manufacturer did not use animal products only to double check their information pages and see that they use wool. I would find sources claiming a manufacturer isn't vegan only to check their information pages and see that they seemingly use no animal products. For this reason, I cannot guarantee that the information in the spreadsheet is 100% accurate, but this is the closest to accuracy I have been able to get to.

This sheet compiles the top manufacturers in each category of instrument. If anyone has any other manufacturers they'd like me to investigate, please just say so in the comments.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

Awesome and comprehensive list. Thanks for the effort!

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That's such a beautiful spreadsheet, it seems inspired by the PBC Food Brand Guide.

This will further strengthen the boycott towards the right targets. Lets make those animal abusers poor.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah, this was inspired by the PBC one. Totally forgot to credit them for inspiring the layout, will update the sheet now.

And thanks for crossposting to other vegan communities, completely forgot that was also a thing on the Fediverse lol.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago

I have shared your link with the vegan cheat sheet. Then I will sharing this treasured resource with r/vegan community.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 month ago (2 children)

At this rate we'll need guide lists for the guide lists! Thanks for this :)

Once you've edited this list enough that it feels ok, could we archive it or distribute it in a way that involves not using google? It'll make sure it doesn't get taken down in future and people who don't/can't use google services will be able to see it as well.

Also, I got asked to pin this (to which I did), but I didn't realise it didn't come from you! Hope you don't mind!

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 month ago

Yeah, I have no problem with the post being pinned or with copying it to a different service outside of Google. I just used Sheets because it's what I'm most familiar with, if you have any ideas for something else I'd love to know.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

This spreadsheet will be a required download. We could convert this into a libre document.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 month ago

Goldtone, if you can find anything. I expect the banjos are right out, but it would be nice to know what the glue situation is on their resonators and such. Thank you so much for this resource!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 month ago

Oops I put Remo on twice LOL