If she actually means it then she should be pushing for ranked choice voting. There’s no other way for politicians who aren’t part of the two major parties to win.
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There’s no other way for politicians who aren’t part of the two major parties to win.
That's totally fine. The short term reason for a new conservative party is to split the vote and insure the MAGA GOP cannot win. The medium/long term goal would be to replace the GOP as one of the 2 major political parties, just like when the GOP replaced the Whig Party. The way this would happen would be for a significant number of incumbant GOP senators and congressmen to announce they are moving to the new conservative party.
"If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed ... and we will deserve it"
Lindsey Graham, 2016
They have one, they're called Democrats.
The results will not change until your toxic tail stops wagging the dog.
By which I mean your online and 24-hour hysterical anti-news infotainment excrement factory.
A second conservative party that disowns Traitorapist Trump would be a political earthquake. Conservatives would then be 100% certain that MAGA is making them lose.
Yea that's what I was thinking. With the headline. Why don't the sensable adult conservatives just move over to a new party.
Trump has been hollowing out the Republican party and filling it with his minions for the last 8 years. If they lose this election badly enough, I wouldn't be surprised to see some intense infighting and a big push to clean out a lot of Trump's people. While it's not inconceivable that you could see an offshoot try to replace the Republicans, I doubt it would happen. I think it's more plausible that the die hard MAGA idiots that can't read the room will get purged in favor of those who can at least appear to be more traditional, establishment Republicans. The party changes (as they do over time) but it doesn't go away.
Of course, I think the most likely outcome is that any rise of more moderate Republicans isn't going to be sufficient to fully dislodge the MAGA loyalists and you'll just see a much deeper divide. Without pressure from Trump constantly crushing them down, the more moderate side of the party can probably be more effective in uniting against the extreme right wing, but not enough to fully take over.
While it’s not inconceivable that you could see an offshoot try to replace the Republicans, I doubt it would happen.
It really depends heavily on timing. If Trumpism fades almost immediately after the election, the GOP can probably survive. If not, there is a good chance of it being replaced. All that would need to happen would be 2 critical steps. (1) A few big conservative big names announce the formation of a traditional conservative party that rejects Trumpism. (2) Over the next couple of years a wave of incumbant GOP senators and congressmen announce they are moving to the new party to break free of MAGA. That new party might still caucus with the GOP but would have a huge amount of leverage over it.
I first read that headline as "is deranged."
Same sentiment but more precise.
maybe we can agree to bisect both parties at once
Ooo, four parties? I like that. BUT they all get new names and no one is auto-registered.
Name suggestions:
- Conservative Traditionalist (god)
- Libertarian (me, me, me)
- Progressive (us)
- Centrist (the rich)
Easier. Let's just do political parties by financial status. But swaps representations to be proportionate to populace of each status.
70% representatives poor party 29.9% middle class 0.1% unobtainable dragon hording wealth.
We could always ban all political donations and ban superpacs. Money != politics
Lobbyists go to jail.
Yea I think that boulder would be easier to push than the mountain I just suggested lol
America is damage. Get the money out of politics!
I’m just hoping that the collapse of the GOP ushers some leftward movement for once
That's not usually how it works. Democrats serve Wall Street and Silicon Valley first, but make concessions to Main Street as necessary to keep Republicans from taking over. The less of a threat Republicans are, the less incentive establishment Democrats have to put the needs of voters ahead of their sponsors.
I’m 100% with you. I just have (delusional) hopes of a sea change, and that is never historically a safe bet
Democrats serve Wall Street and Silicon Valley first
Then how come Biden raised corporate taxes? How come every Dem voted against Trump's gigantic tax cuts for corporations and the wealthy? Following the money cuts thru all the vague claims and bullshit and provides clarity.
The less of a threat Republicans are, the less incentive establishment Democrats have to put the needs of voters ahead of their sponsors.
That is the exact opposite of how politics work. The one and only thing that will result is a big shift to the left is for Dems to win over and over and over.
I already answered your first paragraph in the comment you replied to, but I'll embellish. Not every wealthy person involved in politics is in favor of insanely low taxes on corporations and the wealthy. Over reliance on austerity to balance the national budget is ultimately not in their best interest, and some of them are bright enough to realize it. Those are the concessions I mentioned.
The stark reality is that the situation for working Americans has gotten worse under both Republican and Democratic administrations. It's not just because Republicans have always managed to out maneuver Democrats in leveraging power. It has often been caused directly by Democratic legislative "successes". "The era of big government is over!" came from Bill Clinton as he shredded federal welfare programs. Obama reacted to the mortgage crisis by bailing out his Wall Street donors and hanging homeowners out to dry.
As for your second paragraph, it's as delusional and historically ignorant as anything I've heard out of MAGAts. Democratic victories are necessary for progress, but it's only the threat of immanent fascism that has historically driven Democrats to make improvements.
Biden went from being one of the most conservative Democrats in Congress to the most progressive Democratic President in fifty years. All it took was a massive fascist movement barking at his heels.
Democratic victories are necessary for progress, but it’s only the threat of immanent fascism that has historically driven Democrats to make improvements.
Not true. It is firm control of congress and the presidency. That is what created the New Deal and the Civil Rights era.
“It was this administration which saved the system of private profit and free enterprise after it had been dragged to the brink of ruin.” President Roosevelt, on how his emergency actions in 1933 prevented a revolution and saved capitalism.
FDR was an elitist and a racist, but he understood that capitalism couldn't survive that moment by continuing a hard line against interests of the citizenry. The new deal was another compromise to protect the establishment from causing it's own destruction.
The political pendulum always swings back and forth. We are way overdue for a big swing to the left.
Or conservatives could just fuckin get with the times.
I have yet to see a single conservative from any country hold any values that don't just hurt everyone.
Home run by Liz Cheney.
Ranked choice, alternative vote, single transferable vote, let's do it.
Damaged? Damaged???
I heard someone say once that if this was Europe the Republicans would actually be three different parties and the Democrats would probably be five.
The way Kamala Harris is running her campaign (towards the right), I would venture to say they're taking over the Democratic party. Kamala was really emphasizing her endorsement from the war criminal, Dick Cheney 🤮
Conservatives took over the Democratic party over 30 years ago. Progressives have just recently started inching themselves back into relevance.
Came here to say this. Conservatives mostly have a party: the democrat party.
So true.
Conservatives took over the Democratic party over 30 years ago
The Democratic Party was much more conservative 30 years ago than today.
I don't know why people forget this. Bill Clinton was a straight-up conservative. Do people not remember that?
Nobody remembers that because it is not remotely true. He raised taxes on the rich, legalized gays in the military, tried to implement universal healthcare, etc.
Literally none of that is true. What nonsense.
Aren't you just restating my comment? Yes, progressives regaining relevancy results in a Democratic party that is left of one taken over by conservatives.