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[–] [email protected] 237 points 1 month ago (5 children)

So what exactly is open about their ai

[–] RmDebArc_5 282 points 1 month ago (4 children)

It’s called OpenAI because they are open to stealing content to train their AI

[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 month ago (3 children)

You made this?

...I made this!

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago

Can't argue with objective truth

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 1 month ago

Open(your fucking wallet)AI

[–] Jocker 16 points 1 month ago

It's criminal they're keeping the name OpenAI

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

They put open in their name to get good talent, investments and so people would have a soft spot for them when they collect tons of data to build their product.

Their internal chats that were released in musk lawsuit reveals they knew they were gonna switch to for profit model (they here means the top brass). But they still lied to everybody about their intentions.

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[–] [email protected] 154 points 1 month ago (23 children)

reminder, there are localy ran LLMs. Right now is a vital time for open source to fight against closed source in the AI arms race.

https://www.nomic.ai/gpt4all

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Another good resource to help people find models https://llm.extractum.io

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (5 children)

I like Ollama, and recommend it to tinker, but I admit this "LLM Explorer" is quite neat thanks to sections like "LLMs Fit 16GB VRAM"

Ollama just works but it doesn't help to pick which model best fits your needs.

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[–] [email protected] 117 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Almost like Sam Altman is just another run of the mill tech bro scam guy.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

I don't think he is a "tech bro scam guy", i think he is worse like he is smart and has a documented track record of lying. Unlike other tech bros, he actually knows the capability /limits of his products and he still lies and makes it out to be something it's not.

[–] [email protected] 106 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

I hope OpenAI is going to serve as a radicalizing example to all the engineers, who fell for the "ethical guy/company" rhetoric, that the minority-controlled corporate structures they're used to cannot withstand the push for profit. I hope this will make more of them choose majority-controlled structures for their startups and demand unions in existing corpos.

[–] gravitas_deficiency 51 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I mean, I was already radicalized in that respect, but it’s definitely reaffirming that radicalization.

But also: I fuckin told you so. This progression was so blindingly obvious from the get-go.

[–] CountVon 31 points 1 month ago (1 children)

OpenAI on that enshittification speedrun any% no-glitch!

Honestly though, they're skipping right past the "be good to users to get them to lock in" step. They can't even use the platform capitalism playbook because it costs too much to run AI platforms. Shit is egregiously expensive and doesn't deliver sufficient return to justify the cost. At this point I'm ~80% certain that AI is going to be a dead tech fad by the end of this decade because the economics just don't work now that the free money era has ended.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It will fall through much faster than that. I'm thinking two years, tops.

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[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

The fact that Silicon Valley interests effortlessly shrugged off the non-profit board's attempt to hit the kill switch last year, and now are preparing to take the company commercial despite the deliberate design otherwise, becomes much more interesting when you consider the theory that corporations are a form of artificial superintelligence.

If the AI idealists can't stand up to basic forces of capitalism, how do they expect to control an actually dangerous AGI?

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago (3 children)

You give them far too much credit to assume this specific company will ever achieve anything even close to AGI.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago (1 children)

If the AI idealists can't stand up to basic forces of capitalism, how do they expect to control an actually dangerous AGI?

My guess is they don't expect to. I guess that that is one of the reasons they seem to not care about out of control climate change; burn it all down before it all literally burns down.

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[–] [email protected] 71 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Hey, remember when you guys lined up to suck his dick when the board tried to keep OpenAI working for the good of humanity instead of the oligarchy?

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I hate being right

Why do people keep being fooled by rich assholes

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (10 children)

People have grown up reading comic books and watching movies about generous billionaire superhero saviors. They want to believe that exists because it's what they've been taught justice looks like.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Yeah, that was a strange moment. Those in the company being for Altman, I can understand. They expected big returns of investment from keeping him around. But the outsiders on the internet cheering him on? Felt like Elon Musk in the beginning again. And yes I also fell for his engineer persona in the beginning. But I learned from that.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Probably has to be renamed to "ClosedAI" then.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

... To the surprise of absolutely nobody

Actually I have a question and I admit knowing nothing of the legal framework here but...

Isn't it absolutely ridiculous that a not-for-profit entity can exists solely for the purpose of developing a closed-source piece of software, demand to train it for free off copyrighted material, just to switch to a for-profit entity??

Sound 100% like tax avoidance. Like me registering a charity so I can throw a mega concert/party privately, secure preferencial treatment on supplies, get discounts on artists or even free performance and then switch to for profit as I start selling tickets

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

Originally all their work was supposed to be published and shared with the world, hence the "open" in OpenAI. However somewhere along the way they made a for-profit break off of the original company and started pulling everything in that direction.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 month ago
[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Step 1. Make an AI that hoovers up content.

Step 2. When owners of content complain about privacy violations and copyright infringement, allay their fears. This AI is for the Good of Humanity.

Step 3. ???

Step 4. Profit.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

OpenAI: It's not fair to charge us to use copywriten works.

Also OpenAI: Also you have to pay us for using them.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

How exactly does one “outgrow” “AGI for the benefit of all humanity?

OpenAI Charter https://openai.com/charter

Our primary fiduciary duty is to humanity. We anticipate needing to marshal substantial resources to fulfill our mission, but will always diligently act to minimize conflicts of interest among our employees and stakeholders that could compromise broad benefit.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 month ago

As Ed said, Sam Altman has been a plague.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 month ago (3 children)
[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Just want to point out that it absolutely is possible to train an AI that will keep track of its sources for inspiration and can attribute those when it makes a response.

Meaning creators could be compensated for their parts of AI generated stuff, if anyone wanted to.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Wild for a company that's never made a profit

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 month ago

Surely they will be sued into oblivion if they tried right? Them being non profit was the main pillar holding up their defense for scraping the web into datasets.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (1 children)

........ They weren't before?

[–] sugar_in_your_tea 11 points 1 month ago

Yeah, they weren't as synergized. Now they're coordinating with key stakeholders to maximize the efficiency of their aggressive roadmap. Or something, I kinda suck at business jargon.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago (2 children)

How is this going to work while OpenAI currently burns through an absolute ocean of cash to keep improving its services? Alongside this, a good software engineer or applied scientist can make close to $1m a year. While I do think professionals should earn what their value is to an employer, OpenAI still loses a ton of money.

As someone that works in AI, I think most of us know it's full of people trying to make a quick buck while investors will stupidly throw money at it. OpenAI is ultimately the figurehead of this market though, because at least the big companies can prop their AI offerings with the money they make from shopping, cloud, ads, etc. The second OpenAI looks weak and needs money, the vultures will slice off a piece and we'll see the AI market reduce to a wimper - just enough for tech to focus on the next grift.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago

This is what Ilya saw...

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

Much open, very organic, very demure, so mindful.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago

Them investors got to get paid!

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