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This initially sounded like they were forcing users to their history under the guise of providing suggestions, however it really just means "no history, no suggestions"
I'm ok with this
If they also kill autoplay it would be super.
I can see how autoplay can be useful, though.
What I don't like is that it's opt-out.
So every time I use a new browser, I have to disable it yet again.
Isn't that a toggleable option?
On the TV version of YouTube, I still have no idea how to turn that off. It's much easier on desktop and mobile.
I see no downside here I hate suggestions 90% are crap. I prefer to discover things on my own. I don't want your suggestions and turning off autoplay be cherry on the top.
They could go back to suggesting only videos related to the one you're watching but they really want The Engagement Algorithm to be the only one available :(
I'm COMPLETELY okay with this.
Technically couldn't they do this without "history"... Isnt that what cookies are for? I mean they can already show me shit based of what I say with my phone in my pocket, lol.
Cookies are a way of establishing persistence between a device and a site (most commonly a server session).
They could technically put some of your history in the cookie, but it wouldn't be retained between devices nor if you logout/clear-cookies.
To keep it consistent and build those suggestions across devices and logins, it needs to be saved on a server somewhere, which is essentially... history tracking.
Not legally because of various data tracking laws around the world. Maybe they can where you life, but then then need to be 100% sure they have that right. By making this clear they can argue in court they need to track this data, and that you have the option to not have it tracked.
Maybe they should stop recommending videos I've already watched. And if I reroll give me a brand new list.
Yeah, 70% of my reccomended is just videos I've already seen, and 29% is clickbait trash, but every now and then I do get a very good reccomendation, that I simply would never know about without it, so I'm not sure if I want to turn recommendations off yet.
they now they run out of interesting content when they recommend you already watched stuff. Youtube™ is overblown
Not always their fault. Seems the dashcam channels have started copying each other's content and rebranding it.
Would be nice if videos 90% watched would bugger off though.
They could at least add a filter to remove shorts; but no, they do this.
They did the opposite and shoved a pointless shorts section in the middle of your subscription page so you can't see what you actually want to look at.
No? I'm seeing zero shorts in my feed
Do they think this is some kind of threat?
Fuck the recommendations - all I get is the same 15 suggestions across multiple categories, most of them I've already watched or in my subscriptions.
The beauty of YouTube used to be the random jewels of clips that would surface, now it's just corporate friendly pop stars latest music videos and the same shitty content over and over and over again.
It's impossible to just stumble across anything unique on yt now.
Totally agree, there's so much good content on there but all I see are the same 10-ish content creators and it fucking sucks.
Any 3rd party site that gives better YT recommendations?
This is youtube being salty about people not wanting them to keep track of their watch list. because even without it youtube could make a lot of bucks by just suggesting based of other parameters. They are betting on nudging people the way they want.
Thank goodness! Finally, I won't have to suffer through "suggestions" that are unrelated to anything I've watched and are just pushing clickbait. It does make sense though. They can't suggest anything, if they can't digest what you've watched.
Well, they could suggest popular content, which seems to be mostly what I get. It'll be good to not have a bunch of nonsense I'm going to ignore anyway I guess.
I feel like folks have a very different YouTube experience than I do. My suggestions are all already related to either my watch history or are from my subscriptions.
It'd be nice if they would stop pushing Shorts though.
Their recommendations are always a bit shit anyway, so I'm not too bothered about this on a personal level.
Lately I have been spending more time looking for videos that actually interest me than I have been watching videos. It's all either extremely similar, or stuff I have already seen. I often end up just closing the app without having watched anything at all.
Once they had to change the algo because it was shoving people down the right wing pipeline at an alarming rate it got a lot worse. They basically had to nerf it and start over and it’s never recovered to the point it used to be at. The recommendations used to be significantly better, but that also coincided with alt right content doing extremely well.
It seems to be getting worse every day. I used to always find something interesting to watch, and now my feed seems to be the same 10 videos or so, and the rest is stuff I've already watched? I feel stuck in such a small bubble!
I'm perfectly fine with that. I don't want recommendations, I want a search engine.
This is nice because one of the most annoying things has been to randomly watch a video and then they start suggesting all of this content that is not relevant or is bothersome. Like, watch a video on certain topics one time and all of a sudden “check out Ben Shapiro!”
Surely Google is still tracking watch history for analysis for ads and profiling though, right?
As long as NewPipe still works, I do not care.
On the flip side here, almost everything I watch is from recommendations and this is going to be a change that drastically changes how I use the platform. I’m probably just going to have to turn watch history on, which is what they want, but it’s also apparently now the only way to get a decently curated YT feed.
No, the subscription box doesn’t do that. I don’t want to only see things I subscribe to. I specifically want to be recommended things to watch on my homepage.
Huh. This presser just taught me I can disable watch history. That’s awesome. Unintended consequences of them trying to force people to turn it on will be teaching others that this setting exists.
Kind of makes sense - the suggestions are based on your watch history after all.
I cleared mine a while back, and it also reset my feed to whatever random popular stuff they suggest. As it rebuilt the history, it became nice again.
At least it makes it somewhat clear what it's suggesting you stuff based on. Can't have suggestions if they don't have data on your watching habits.
youtube suggestions are genuinely terrible for the individual and humanity as a whole
I disagree. Spotify and YouTube are the only platforms that actually do a good job recommending me content I'm interested in. Other places like instagram, twitter and lemmy needs heavy curation to be usable.
Good. For some reason YouTube keeps throwing sports content at me, even though I loathe sports (aside from F1). Hopefully now I’ll be able to remove it from my watch history & get rid of it from my feed.
You can already remove videos from your watch history.
this wasnt already the case?
My history log has been shit lately. When I search this log, it seems many of the videos I've watched are missing, but if I search my browser history I can find them normally. That's the only reason I turn on my watch history, as my browser's history gets deleted automatically after 6 months.
Cool cool cool, disabled watch history and cancelled YouTube premium. GG YouTube.
I already curate my own watch history and occasionally go on a remove spree when my recommendations get stale or full of shit I don't really care about.
I just use the Subscriptions feed and skip the algorithm altogether. Combine a bookmark of the subscriptions feed (With Ublock origin , ReturnYoutubeDislikes and sponsorblock) with NewPipe (a fork of newpipe with sponsorblock, specifically), and you get a good YouTube Experience. Otherwise, you can just forget it.
Edit: RSS is also an option if you want to go that route.
The only thing I'll potentially sort of miss is the cynical comedy of the absolutely godawful shit they recommend when they don't have a watch history to base anything on.