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[–] [email protected] 42 points 2 months ago (69 children)

The number of "left" voters in this community that are doing their damnedest to get Trump elected never ceases to disturb me.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago (11 children)

The way Harris refuses to court her own voting base never ceases to disturb me

Ftfy.

Its not on voters. Voters will do what they will do. Its on politicians who we vote for. Also I will be voting for Harris and also protesting at every event where I can to demand this apartheid and genocide to end.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago (8 children)

The number of pro-genocide centrists who accuse anyone who doesn't love genocide as much as they do of being trumpers will never surprise me.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Maybe they just have a tendency to confuse the painfully obvious consequences of not voting or voting against Harris for your actual intended goals. Trump is clearly going to be worse for Palestinians since he outright said Netanyahu should just finish the job, so if you're on a clear and obvious path to getting someone even worse elected, we can't help but wonder if you don't actually care about the Palestinians because for all the bitching and moaning about Harris's stance, you're on your way to making the situation objectively worse.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago (21 children)

I'm voting for Harris and have never, I want to stress this, absolutely fucking NEVER suggested doing otherwise.

You will of course completely ignore this because I dared to say that genocide isn't the only thing in this world that gives life meaning.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 months ago

Single issue voters. They don't understand wider implications of their actions, however well intended they are.

[–] Bakkoda 5 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Point me to the correct candidate please. Oh right, you can't because somehow it's my fault that the two party system took away literally every option you could possibly have. Maybe i should've have voted for the non genocide candidate in my primary. Oh wait my state didn't have one because i didn't need to choose a candidate. That's ok, no one else was running anyway because who the fuck can out raise the incumbents.

Seriously though, you are asking an impossible question and getting angry when you don't get the answer you want. No one wants to vote for genocide. No one wants this to be the situation.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 months ago (7 children)

We can be upset with her decisions and policies and still very easily acknowledge that one of the candidates is clearly worse. Trump has outright said Netanyahu should just finish the job. He wouldn't just not resist, he'd actively encourage it. It's like choosing between getting shot with a .22 or a .45 bullet to your leg. Both fucking suck, nobody wants to choose either, but if you're knowledgeable about all the consequences and paying attention, it's not a difficult choice.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (3 children)

She's taken AIPAC money, she's drank the koolaid. She can't go back now. Most of them have, we saw what happened to most of those who didn't. Our politicians are all bought and paid for, dont ever forget that and let's get rid of FPTP so we the people can end this corruption. And if that doesnt work, well, you'll find me ravenous outside of Citizens United.

Edit: go ahead and downvote but at least look with your fucken eyeballs. AIPAC didn't blow hundreds of millions on our elections because they dont matter. Theres a purpose there.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 months ago

Adding context...

'Very Bad Sign for Democracy': AIPAC Has Spent Over $100 Million on 2024 Elections

AIPAC's billionaire-funded super PAC has helped defeat two of the most vocal opponents of Israel's assault on the Gaza Strip.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/aipac-100-million

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

Its also that as Vice President she's a member of the United States Cabinet and United States National Security Council. Who do you think has been making the policy in Bidens administration?

Anyone that convinced themselves she would 180 on her own national security decisions has been delusional.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 months ago (2 children)

She was never going to flip. This isn't about her flipping. Its about the fact nearly all of our leadership will support Gaza being flattened, and the Palestinians being eradicated.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (1 children)

She was never going to flip.

Yeah, genocide support is a bedrock principle, unlike things she has flipped on, like M4A and banning fracking.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (16 children)

Write to and call your representative. That's how politicians know you're upset.

Has anyone here done either of those things?

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (5 children)

How many thousands of women and children were simply LIVING in their homes when Israel voluntarily and with full knowledge of their civilian presence dropped a 1,000lb JDAM on them to eliminate a singular HAMAS target or two?

Look I'm voting for Harris but I really, really dislike how she goes into explicit detail on the events of October 7th but doesn't go into explicit detail on Palestinians crushed, decapitated, blown in half or to bits by explosives, maimed, shot, and yes sometimes raped by IDF.

This double-standard of evocative imagery is in itself pretty disturbing.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 months ago

The one that got me was when they justified dropping bombs on civilians to hit tunnel hatches. No evidence Hamas was present, just gotta hit that hatch.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 months ago (6 children)

And there it is, colors shown true.

The US is an oligarchy in everything but name. The average voter doesn't want this policy, but that's not what matters for Harris. That's not what matters in an oligarchy.

What matters is the few with means, not most.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 months ago

Choose which stick.

No carrots available.

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