I usually don't get too salty about these things, but that seemed uncalled for, especially since I'm on their side.
well, I saw your comment and made it here, so at least one happy customer was served.
Kind of short-sighted by Christian to do this. He could put up an instance, make an Apollo update (not trivial) and migrate a bunch of users onto Lemmy. Getting a decent percentage of Apollo users over here would be good for a producer of a popular app based client. I'd wager operating his own instance would end up being cheaper than Reddit's API fees. He could even benefit from donations to keep his servers running.
Everybody wins in this hypothetical, magical, free business idea.
Sweet, glad to have you.
I don't mind the ban too much as I don't use reddit often, but it's probably indicative that the developer plans to stay with reddit. Our door is always open to him if he changes his mind tho.
glad to find you! I’m still kicking the tires but this looks like a great effort so far. Well done!
Thanks! Glad to have you!
I’m all for promoting lemmy but I have to say I don’t see an issue here. Self-promotion is a well recognised no no.
Fingers crossed Christian does migrate Apollo to lemmy some day but he’s probably suffering from whiplash - this has all happened very quickly. I expect he needs a break.
You’re directly involved in the project according to the comments so a ban for self promo is justified here
This is true, but I would have thought that removing the comments with a warning would have sufficed. A ban seems excessive.
Self-Promos tend to be insta-ban due to how spammed and intrusive they used to be and still are. It's one of those "everyone gets the same treatment" situations.
I would agree for a first offense but we're only seeing OP's side of the story. There might be history or context that OP isn't including because it would be less sympathetic (which is literally the only reason to make this post).
A ban for first offense seems excessive, but to be fair, this whole situation must be quite stressful for them and being asked by hundreds of users for support of X or Y alternative seems like it would quickly become annoying.
I mean, yeah. You broke the self-promotion rule. It's a kind of a dumb rule IMO. "You're allowed to promote things, but just not your things.". Someone other than you promoting Lemmy wouldn't be breaking the rules.
So, there's no real mystery here.
Plenty of other comments mentioned Voat and Lemmy ... weird https://old.reddit.com/r/apolloapp/comments/13ws4w3/had_a_call_with_reddit_to_discuss_pricing_bad/jmd4wk8/
Maybe the difference is the fact that Dessalines is directly involved in the Lemmy project. Maybe that makes it self promotion in the Apollo dev's eyes? 🤷
I don't understand people's issue with self-promotion. If it's unhelpful, i.e. spam? Sure, nobody wants to try something completely irrelevant or broken. That's because it's irrelevant or broken.
If you've put a lot of work into something, especially for free, which solves someone's problem; I think you have every right to shout it from the roof tops?
It's not like anyone was spamming about Lemmy before people had an issue with Reddit. I had to go hunting to find it months ago.
The problem when you allow this is that sooner or later the sub is only self promotion and you can't find anything relevant anymore.
Yeah, maybe it's difficult to enforce with nuance and not have people get angry about it.
I have found some great projects through self-promotion and I haven't had to moderate it so I might have a soft spot for it.
That would be a little like the staff on the sinking Titanic reminding passengers not to mention other cruise lines :p
Self-promotion rules are really weird for open-source projects too. Its like we're telling people about a pizza recipe that we created and are sharing freely... we're not selling anything or trying to profit off people.
I appreciate you very much. thanks for all your Efforts
I thought Voat was mostly defunct now.
It is. Shut down in 2020.
Voat is a sad story. The site itself was very good. When Reddit purged their worst subs and users, they all went to Voat. Predictably it became extremely toxic.
r/redditalternatives wasn't banned yet, so try to post there
This would be a more fitting sub.
the mods of apollo has something against lemmy?
I read some comments by them today. They are really trying not to burn bridges with reddit in fear that talks over pricing will cease. I could see how removing comments would make sense to them in that light.
honestly reddit has been in decline for years, I really hope the fediverse continues to expand that's the only way to put a stop to enshittification
I agree. But like Twitter alternatives, two things are required. Products that that have feature parity and quick mass adoption.
I have seen it happen twice to large sites. MySpace to Facebook. That happened fast. Then I saw digg to Reddit.
Both those cases Facebook and Reddit respectively had feature parity(ones that mattered) if not more features. But as a heavy digg user, I still struggled with Reddit.
Mastodon has struggled to get wide adoption and people are still using Twitter so I am not sure it will ever happen.
I think if Lemmy wants to succeed and take market share from Reddit, the mobile apps need to greatly improve in the next month. I am not shitting on any of the current apps but they aren’t remotely close to having parity with RIF or Apollo. And that makes sense as those apps are really mature.
I wholeheartedly agree, especially with the mobile app bit. That is the first thing I looked for when I found out about lemmy.
I am bit delayed responding because things like notifications on the mobile app I used doesn't work. I finally decided to use the web interface of lemmy and said this reply. This is exactly what I am talking about.
Another thing that is going to hurt Lemmy is all the different instances of the same type of community. I don't want to subscribe to 5 different "Technology" communities.
Not sure, don't think that dev has responded yet.
Hmm... That does not bode well for my hopes that Apollo would support Lemmy in the future. It could have been one of his mods and not the dev himself, though.
Yep, that is possible.
Really really hoping it wasn’t the dev himself. That would be so disheartening.
Someone will have to ask them about it. Tell them I'd like to have good relations with them.
Banning someone for "self promoting" an open source, decentralised, democratised alternative? What a weird hill for them to die on.
Seems like someone is ready to lock their app behind an even pricier subscription. I can't understand how people go above and beyond to defend him
Maybe a stupid question from a Newb here such as myself, but are there currently any good 3rd party clients for Android and iOS that support Lemmy? I’ve been looking around here using the browser and this platform has promise, but being able to use clients like Apollo, Sync for Reddit, etc, would really make it more useful in my opinion.
The official list is an https://join-lemmy.org/apps , but the main iOS one (remmel) is currently abandoned, so we're updating that page soon.
There's a new iOS app being developed by @[email protected] called Mlem.
I made an android one, called Jerboa.
Jerboa
That is a pretty decent client. I come from Relay for Reddit, and at first glance like it a lot. Feels home.
Great work! Just joined Lemmy today, and downloaded Jerboa from F-Droid (currently replying to you using your app, no less). Checking my profile seems to be broken, but otherwise seems to be working great.
EDIT: Actually, seems to be working now. Maybe the profile breaks if it has no content?
Thanks, glad you like it!
If it does crash or something's amiss, make an issue on the issue tracker if you would: https://github.com/dessalines/jerboa/issues
Just as an FYI I started used Jerboa yesterday and it is working well now but it was very hard to find where to login at first. Most of the UI is disabled without logging in but I couldn't find out where to do that for like 10 minutes of searching the UI. I can see that being a pain point for new users.
They probably have a blanket ban on promoting competing Reddit clients, and didn't bother to figure out what Lemmy was.
Even so, that's lame behaviour. I understand deleting comments if they are promoting their app nonstop, but to silence people you think are just mentioning an alternative app is crazy.
Exactly. There's a note that says "Self-promo -- Lemmy" right in the posted screen cap.
Which is (technically) true.
Perhaps, although I was pretty clear in that thread that lemmy is a reddit replacement, not an apollo one.