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“It’s the Democratic Party’s War”: Gaza Protests Planned Throughout Week as DNC Begins in Chicago (www.democracynow.org)

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

No it's not.

[+] [email protected] -15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Who keeps giving Israel weapons and billions of dollars?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Congress.

[+] [email protected] -9 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Biden/Harris admin better tell them to stop.

[–] gravitas_deficiency 15 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

And then Harris doesn’t get elected because AIPAC dumps a metric fuckload of cash into Trumps campaign.

Look dude, I fucking hate it too, but you consistently (as in, in every post I’ve seen you make on this topic) ignore the context in a very obviously willful manner. In the system as it stands now, money plays a disgustingly HUGE role in US politics. Pretending it’s not is a recipe for letting Trump win, at which point he will shortly dispatch a squadron of B-52s to carpet bomb Gaza and the West Bank into ~~Graceland~~ (edit: lol what the fuck autocorrect) gravel and start construction on the new Trump Tower Gaza. So like, you know, maybe pull your head out of your ass and try to understand that there’s at least a little bit of nuance to the situation. It is horrible in a humanitarian sense that we have to account for that risk in this way, but it’s going to be far worse if we don’t.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And then Harris doesn’t get elected because AIPAC dumps a metric fuckload of cash into Trumps campaign.

So the Democratic Party is AIPAC's party and we no longer have a representative democracy in this country.

[–] gravitas_deficiency 4 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

To be fair, the Republican Party is also AIPAC’s party. They throw a LOT of money around, in all directions.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Didn't say they weren't. Thing is, that means that our only two options serve the interests of a man who is committing genocide to keep himself in power, and prioritize those interests over ours.

[–] gravitas_deficiency 3 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They serve his interests for now.

I’m low key cautiously optimistic that Harris is going to start shifting away from just giving Israel shitloads of bombs. She knows it’s a bad look, and she knows a lot of her supporters are pretty fucking pissed at Biden over his handling of the situation. She has a chance, once she takes office, to make a meaningful change to policy in that area, and I hope she does.

I think that may be why AIPAC is being so bold in this election cycle: they can see the writing on the wall, and they know they’ve pissed off a significant portion of one entire side of our political establishment… and the other side - the one that doesn’t mind that they’re carpet-bombing brown people - has neo-Nazis in it. So that’s a bit of a quandary they’ve put themselves in. It’s really incredible, in a geopolitical sense (because it’s not just America in which this shift is happening), because they’ve basically just thrown the vast majority of international sympathy and goodwill they previously had onto a bonfire and lit the fucker up.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

They serve his interests for now.

I see no evidence at all of any interest whatsoever in stopping.

[–] gravitas_deficiency 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

By all means, ignore everything besides the first sentence I wrote. Feeling pithy today, aren’t we?

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

The first paragraph I ignored is rank speculation about what might happen once no pressure to stop selling weapons can be exerted.

The second paragraph is predicated on the guy who is already committing genocide suddenly caring about what the international community thinks instead of just trying to maintain his hold on power with the unconditional assistance of a servile US government.

Neither is evidence of any interest in ceasing support for Netanyahu's genocide.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago

Or else what?

That's where you guys always trip up. What's the next step to these threats?

The only party who hasn't supported and signed on to the ceasefire agreements is Israel. Go protest over there ffs.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I think it’s amusing you’re doing the same thing Trump is and lumping the two together.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago

are they ready to put viable third party on a ballot? Right now labeling Democrats as War party says nothing. BOTH patties are War parties. Difference is Democrats somewhat care about what people say whereas Republicans care o ly about their agenda. Sending voters away from Democrats at this stage will not end war or help anyone. It is clear that Israel has enough influence over both major US parties and weapon shipments will continue. Politics is cruel: Democrats surely did the math and calculated how much will they lose on dropping Israel support from agenda. They also know Republicans will steamroll over protests and supply the same or larger amount of weaponry to Israel. So it's a cynical math but just like Ukraine was earlier hostage to US politics Palestine now is at mercy of US election cycle and has to wait until after election when, if elected; Democrats can afford to piss of pro-Israeli groups. Republicans started that game, Dems are carrying it on. I'm also surprised that middle east cannot outspend Israel in US lobbying on behalf of Palestine. There are some of the richest countries in the world in that area. People should not die. Period. But politicians care about election cycles more. 🙁

[+] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

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[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Oh you're the guy that doesn't understand dual citizenship (you called me out in a previous thread) . I can't stand 2ozma either so have an angry upvote.

To be clear : I just don't like being called a liar. My mom is American, I grew up in Italy.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

I remember you. I understand dual citizenship just fine. You didn't bring it up until after i pointed out an inconsistency in your story. Not saying i don't believe you, it was just hard to believe that "American gun culture" was some kinda surprise to you, if you had been immersed in it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Thank you. That does make sense as I didn't state it at the outset. I also understand that thread was a little heated and maybe I came off as a little confrontational. It seems every time he-who-shall-not-be-named is mentioned people lose their minds (and I understand why).

[–] [email protected] 0 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

Hey everyone, check out these grown ups resolving their misunderstanding with reason and emotional maturity

ETA: teasing but sincerely found it wholesome, in case that wasn’t clear

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago

Ew propaganda

[–] [email protected] -1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

for those who will moan "BUT BABY STEPS!" and "PROGRESS NOT PERFECTION!" at the end of the article is a snippet about Bill Ayers

When we come back, we look back at the 1968 DNC, when police violently attacked protesters who were calling for an end to the war in Vietnam. We’ll be joined by longtime Chicago activist Bill Ayers, who was arrested then as a member of Students for a Democratic Society, and our own Juan González, in the streets in 1968 here in Chicago, where he now lives. Stay with us.

that is fifty six years people

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_Ayers

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Are we still at war with Vietnam? I'm confused...

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

no but one of the people who protested against the war in Vietnam are protesting again at the same place in Chicago

their story is continued at the bottom of the article

basically protesting for the same things they did back then because neither the Democrats nor the Republicans have done anything to change the current narrative we are living in

[–] [email protected] -3 points 3 weeks ago

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