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    [–] Aurenkin 112 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    For a second I thought that the first field was:

    IRL nickname: I don't use IRL

    [–] [email protected] 26 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    Nobody should use IRL, it sucks and is way too humid.

    [–] [email protected] 13 points 4 months ago

    Floridean detected

    [–] [email protected] 65 points 4 months ago

    h--how did you manage that

    [–] [email protected] 44 points 4 months ago (7 children)
    [–] [email protected] 74 points 4 months ago

    This is a rather old form and in its early days btrfs was not very stable.

    [–] 0x4E4F 20 points 4 months ago

    People don't know how CoW FSes work 🤷.

    [–] SpeakinTelnet 10 points 4 months ago (6 children)

    My only gripe with btrfs is that I've had systems come down from a single drive failure in raid quite "often" when compared to other FS.

    ZFS is a ram hog but I always could do a live resilvering without downtime.

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    [–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

    Nothing these days

    [–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

    I don’t think I’d call it anything wrong, but the subvolumes definitely do make it different for installation purposes so that following ext4 instructions for bootloader configs or kernel arguments could put you on the wrong path

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    [–] southsamurai 29 points 4 months ago (3 children)

    Fucking Allan, always fucking shit up.

    [–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago

    I liked using Arch, but i got tired of Allan breaking into my house and bricking my computers all the time, so i ended up switching

    [–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago
    [–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

    All we wanted was some detail.

    [–] [email protected] 25 points 4 months ago

    That’s funny and sadly accurate 🤣

    [–] [email protected] 20 points 4 months ago

    Please return completed form to /dev/null in order for your fuck-up to be assessed by a professional.

    Lol

    [–] [email protected] 18 points 4 months ago (1 children)
    [–] 0x4E4F 28 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    I asked for the source, we'll see if we get it 😁.

    [–] [email protected] 21 points 4 months ago (1 children)
    [–] 0x4E4F 4 points 4 months ago

    Thank you kind stranger 😊.

    [–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)
    [–] 0x4E4F 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    Ah, this is even better, I could actually edit it as vector 😊.

    [–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago (2 children)
    1. lol
    2. My rootfs has been btrfs up to 2 days ago, when I switched back to TKFS (The King File System, AKA ext4) because I realized I have no use for the features of BTRFS.
    [–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

    What is the problem with using BTRFS for rootfs?

    [–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago

    I think that this form is actually old, from when BTRFS was quite unstable. That point on the list made me chuckle.

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    It tends to break when you force power off the machine in my experience, where ext4 is super resilient to that kind of stuff.

    Thats my experience at least.

    [–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

    Ext4 can't detect data corruption while btrfs can. Btrfs has only bee stable for a handful of years now. It had way to many early adopters that were burned

    [–] [email protected] 11 points 4 months ago

    Pacman -Syyu when you're feeling extra desperate XD

    [–] MrMobius 11 points 4 months ago

    I get the feeling. I had a fuck-up directory with solutions for my failed android rooting efforts. I tried to flash my phone with a random recovery image I found in an old FAQ section.

    [–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago (13 children)

    I've been trying to decide what distro I want to go with for my desktop (Microsoft recently pushed copilot onto my windows 10). While I like the idea of Arch (fast, lightweight) and the fact that it'd be fully compatible with whatever I get on my steam deck, stuff like this makes me think a Debian-based distro would be better.

    (That and the fact that most Linux stuff is designed for Debian and I don't have enough experience to try and rebuild Debian stuff for Arch)

    [–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    The aur usually has what I need, only have had to manually build once... Before I found the aur package. Endeavoros is a good easy way to get into arch if you are worried about the manual configuration.

    [–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Alright, cool. Why not Manjaro? I did a quick Google search and saw people saying Manjaro is bloated in comparison to EndevorOS, are there other reasons as well?

    [–] 0x4E4F 25 points 4 months ago (4 children)

    Yeah, they like forgot to reupload a new cert 3 times.

    And they hold packages back. EndeavourOS uses Arch's repos directly, whereas Manjaro has it's own repos. EndeavourOS is just Arch with a GUI installer and some handy prepicked choices, like a DE.

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago
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    [–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

    There are three distros derived from Arch that try to do very different things:

    • Endeavour is Arch with a friendly installer. That's it. It will install faster but then you'll be using Arch, and that's not a good idea for a beginner.
    • Garuda is also Arch but with a few more helpful tools and apps. Same reasoning as above.
    • Manjaro uses Arch packages as an upstream source (like Ubuntu vs Debian) but does things to them to make it stable. Which, unfortunately, makes a certain kind of Arch fan foam at the mouth and you've probably already been linked to "manjarno" and similar idiocy. So you'd have to deal with that.

    But seriously, I have mixed feelings recommending Manjaro to a beginner. The distro itself is super-stable and easy to use because you basically have to do nothing. I have non-computer savvy family members on Manjaro without admin privileges and it works perfectly.

    But the trick is that doing nothing part. You have to leave it alone and not modify the way it works, and beginners often feel the need to tinker with the system.. Not only that but it's hard as a beginner to figure out online what's generic Arch advice and what's Manjaro-specific and which of that can be applied safely on Manjaro and which is an Arch-ism that will ruin your install.

    If you're set on trying Manjaro I can offer a list of recommendations to give you an idea of how to navigate the dos and donts.

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    [–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago

    The Deck is configured by Valve in a way uniquely suited to it, and they also make sure it works properly. It's not going to be the same on vanilla Arch installed by you on your own PC.

    Common wisdom for a beginner is to use something like Debian or Debian-based like Mint or Ubuntu because they're popular and stable so you can get a safe start. I wouldn't recommend Arch or Arch-based to a complete beginner.

    [–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    Honestly I’ve found the opposite of what you said, where on Debian based distros I commonly had to go to a project’s git repo and follow readme instructions to build when it wasn’t in an apt repository. Meanwhile on arch, the only thing you have to install manually is yay and then afterwards everything is in the AUR. Not saying that makes arch more user friendly than Debian (obviously), but that one aspect I do actually find easier on arch at least if you’re willing to use an AUR helper.

    [–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

    It's mostly game-related tools that I've discovered typically have Debian versions but no apparent (official) Arch support. Seems like most people who develop modding tools, save editors, stuff like that, mainly use windows and if you're lucky will have a Mac and maybe Debian version

    Edit: the windows binaries aren't a huge issue, they usually work in Wine just fine; I just prefer not having to use wine.

    [–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

    I use mint. Everything works without too much fuss. Certainly easier than dealing with an endless stream of corpo shenanigans. It works quicker than windows ever did.

    [–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago (1 children)

    Oh and another point: on Debian every package you get is Debian. On Arch the stuff in AUR is not Arch and is not supported by Arch, it's unstable experimental stuff and you take your chances with it.

    In practice, generally, the AUR stuff trends to mostly work fine but it's never guaranteed. It can and it does break spontaneously from time to time.

    This applies to ALL Arch-based distros. So if you plan on counting on AUR to supplement your app needs, please reconsider.

    Debian stable has ~100k stable packages included. Arch has ~15k bleeding edge packages included and ~80k "varies wildly" in the AUR. It will not be the same experience.

    Debian with Steam and other popular desktop apps (like LibreOffice and Firefox) installed from Flatpak will be a much more reliable experience.

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    [–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago
    [–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

    Debian is nice.

    [–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

    There's always Fedora as well

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