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@felsqualle proposal: make Fedi a danger to the Metaverse
give em a taste of their own medicine?
I simply hope that nobody will federate with them. Then they can enjoy their walled garden.
What does that actually mean? Are they just going to set up an instance or are they going to buy out the software? What would the former actually get them? The later is open source (or so I’ve heard), so how?
Step 1: Simply join the fediverse. (Embrace)
Step 2: Make suggestion on how to improve the ActivityPub protocol (e.g. for Ads) (Extend)
Step 3: "Oh, sorry, we'll defederate, say hello to our new platform! Thanks for 10 Million users!(Extinguish)
One of the dangers I can see is that their instances become supernodes that carry a lot more sway over the underlying AP protocol. They could use Microsoft's old "embrace and extend" philosophy and start making special extensions that only their nodes have. Then their critical mass either forces changes to the underlying protocol or bifurcates the fediverse into "Meta-based" and "not Meta-based".
Another issue will be what data they can mine from their users as well as other instances, and what tools they will build to circumvent any protections to mine all the fedi data.
And let's not even talk about the moderation issues (or sure lack thereof) that will make the fediverse much less safe for everyone. We've already seen time and time again that Zuck & co. don't care about moderation and user safety, and actually would rather manipulate data to their own nefarious ends.
There are so many more reasons why this is a bad thing.
You do know they can mine the other instances without making one themselves, right? They don’t need to make one to get your information. They probably already have it right now.
We probably should start blocking them at a network level right now so they can't scrape any content: https://codeberg.org/cuchazinteractive/iptables-asn-block
So you want to go against the very idea of the Fediverse?
it's not against the very idea of the Fediverse, get out of here with that. Defederating with a known bad actor is just good opsec. I think the paradox of tolerance applies pretty well here, the Fediverse is a peace treaty not a suicide pact.
Regarding Meta: Yes.
"They care about their company and increasing value for their stakeholders."
Capitalist corporations don't give a fuck about stakeholders - i.e. the workers who depend on income from the company for their livelihood, and the users who have integrated their product into their lives.
The company only cares about leeching money into the pockets of its shareholders - i.e. the parasitic owners who contribute nothing of value to the company or its stakeholders.
While our instances will have tens of thousands of people, theirs will have thousands of times more than that. They will continue to enjoy their walled garden if need be, and I guess that we will receive no benefit from the influx of people that could be convinced to move over.
Congratulations, I guess.
does anyone actually use facebook anymore beyond 50 year old antivaxxers and flat earthers?
That is a good question, even if it’s obviously meant as a joke. The answer is yes. The latest look at age demographics has actually found the largest (at 30%) demographic is 25-34 year olds.
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