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[–] [email protected] 17 points 4 months ago (1 children)

That's why it's a bad idea to do a "gender equality" athletic competition for money. You always just end up proving that athletic men are more physically capable than athletic women. It's 1 of the only 2 things where the biological gender differences are not equal. In evey other aspect of life, gender differences aren't relevant and everyone can be equal.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago (1 children)

The other one is singing, right?

[–] [email protected] -5 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Haha! Yeah that's the one.

I mean, if you ignore the fact the guys can have very high voices, and girls can have very low ones, and that voice training is a thing that anyone can do, and HRT actually has a pretty big affect on voice...

But yeah, let's go with that >.>

[–] [email protected] 7 points 4 months ago

HRT can have a pretty big effect on athletic ability, too, if you wanna go that route.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

Oh I was thinking about men generally having a larger range than women when falsetto is factored in. What was the one you meant

[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (3 children)

I mean factor 2 is a bit much but if you want everyone to finish roughly in the same time frame distribution, you either have to do a shorter route or have the women start earlier. Otherwise you will have a decent time gap between male and female race finishers, which looks even worse if u ask me.

Gender equality is usually not about physical performance because everyone knows that there is a gap there that wont go away anytime soon. Its about socioeconomic factors like pay, medical issues, etc

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago (3 children)

But why have routes based on gender? They could just have had two routes to choose from and let it be up to the individual.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

That’s the way it should have been done. I can fun a 5K in about 40min. I know plenty of woman who kick my ass up and down the street based on that time.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 months ago

Because there's a cash prize involved. Many male runners could easily snag the prize that's supposed to encourage women to also participate in sport.

Yes, you can find plenty logical flaws in this system. But it's a matter of perfect being the enemy of good.

The hope is that it's better for gender equality to also offer prize money for the fastest of some rather arbitrary group ("women"), because then they have any chance of winning at all.
The downside is that it leads to all kinds of conflicts, because what in the absolute flying fuck is a woman?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I mean factor 2 is a bit much but if you want everyone to finish roughly in the same time frame distribution, you either have to do a shorter route or have the women start earlier.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Why would you want everyone to finish roughly at the same time though? I'm sure there would be plenty of woman who could finish 5km much faster than some men would finish 10km.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Sure, but the average distribution is going to have most men running faster than most women.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Math is apparently still hard. I even specifically wrote "distribution" but i guess that was not enough.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago)

Usually for these races they will set a cut off time and also block off traffic for that time frame only. Personally i am with you and would find it cool if they did the same race and see a few very athletic women overtaking most of the average performing men.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

I don’t see the issue in letting everyone run the same 10 km at the same time. A man will probably finish first, so what? Equality is not about being the same, it’s about being equal. You can easily have separate results for men and women. In fact, that’s pretty standard for these kinds of amateur races in my experience. You can also have multiple start times based on self reported running speeds. Also pretty common and avoids slow people being in the way of fast people.

[–] SapphironZA 10 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I have never liked the term gender equality. It's too simplified.

Is that what we want not better described by something like "gender freedom" or "gender fairness"

Each to his own desires and pursuit of their own abilities.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

There is always "egalitarian", but of you use that people may leap down your throat.