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Police pulled over a Waymo car that drove in the oncoming lane in Phoenix (www.theverge.com)
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The car did not get a ticket.

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[-] [email protected] 59 points 1 week ago

“UNABLE TO ISSUE CITATION TO COMPUTER,” say dispatch records, AZCentral writes. Arizona law does allow officers to give out tickets when a robotaxi commits a traffic violation while driving autonomously; however, officers have to give them to the company that owns the vehicle. Doing so is “not feasible,” according to a Phoenix police spokesperson quoted by trade publication Repairer Driven News earlier this year.

[-] [email protected] 100 points 1 week ago

however, officers have to give them to the company that owns the vehicle. Doing so is “not feasible,” according to a Phoenix police spokesperson

That's gotta be the biggest crock of shit I've ever heard, you write the ticket up, and you mail it to the company.

[-] [email protected] 33 points 1 week ago

Give them a Jira ticket

[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

It'll just have a string of complaints from citizens about the fine not being implemented while in sits there for years.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

The weight increases each month it's open and you need to go speak to a judge to have it lowered. If the ticket is open for too long, the police issue a warrant for your arrest.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

Yeah that's some bullshit. I got tagged by a speed camera in the Netherlands, two months later I got the citation in California. They sent it to the registered owner, sixt, they forwarded it to me.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Knowing the Netherlands, it likely was a hefty fine.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Not bad actually, just a couple hundred, less than a speeding ticket in California. The problem was paying it. I have a very small credit union with no branch near me so I had to find a CU in a network with mine that I could use for the type of international electronic payment required. No insurance reporting or traffic school to keep points off my licence so it was just a pain in the ass.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Let say the ticket is 100 dollars thats like a millisecond of profit for Google. So what's the point, threaten them with revoking the robot taxi license.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago

Well, you see, companies are wealthy and they have great lawyers, unlike the poors.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Which company is that? The car is probably owned by an LLC based out of a different state, so you have to track down the formation documents there to find the owning company, only to find it's membership is another LLC in a different state, and so on for 90 levels of bullshit.

I do code enforcement on commercial properties and it can take 50 hours and thousands of dollars in research to figure out who the responsible party is.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Code enforcement for commercial properties is one thing, a simple traffic citation is another.

The responsible party is usually whoever is driving. In the case of self-driving taxi services, like Waymo, the ticket should go to the company the vehicle is registered under.

Which is super easy to pull up, so easy in fact that other automated enforcement mechanisms, like tolls or red light cameras do this with rental companies all the time. Rent a car and go through some tolls or trigger a red light camera and you'll get a bill "forwarded" to you in a month or 2.

[-] [email protected] 1 points 1 week ago

Yeah, I can mail a ticket to the address on file for a company, but half the time they're isn't even a mailbox. I recently sent a letter to every commercial property owner in the city, and over 60% of them for returned as undeliverable.

[-] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago

This should be an automatic impound of the vehicle and when the rep comes to pick it up hand them the ticket. Or you know, make the police send them a damn ticket.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

so it's just effectively legal to send out killer robotaxis, great!

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

* Elon musk enters the chat *

[-] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

If only there were laws against creating traffic hazards...

[-] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago

Well at least no one died this time

[-] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

Per mile driven, all of these autonomous systems are statistically better than humans at driving.

It's mostly because humans are dogshit at driving, but you are a lot safer using these systems than not, despite media reporting.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

That's only because they don't drive that fast, and they just dump most problems to a human driver. If a self-driving car stopped in the middle of an intersection and a human driver hit it, the blame would legally fall on the human despite the fact that the self-driving car caused the issue.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Liability of an accident doesn't factor into those statistics. They include all accidents regardless of blame.

And you act like that exact scenario hasn't happened with human drivers. In Arizona alone, 3.5 people die every day in traffic incidents. Given the number of dumb fuck road ragers brake checking other drivers on the road, stopping in the middle of an intersection and getting hit probably happens at least once a day, probably more.

Yet even with all those fatalities, and other accidents in general, the autonomous systems still have fewer incidents per mile driven.

[-] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

These cars were banned from CA roads because they had too many safety issues. That's why they're in AZ. One company didn't address the issue so the CA DMV threatened to pull their registration completely.

https://www.npr.org/2023/10/24/1208287502/california-orders-cruise-driverless-cars-off-the-roads-because-of-safety-concern

Why else do you think Google is testing this thousands of miles from their headquarters?

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

That's an apples to oranges comparison. Self driving cars aren't driving on the same roads and in the same conditions. Maybe they're better, but that hasn't really been tested/evaluated.

[-] [email protected] -2 points 1 week ago

Sir, your whole family died in a waymo accident.

First of all, statistically, the chance was bigger that they didn't die. And now leave the billionaires alone.

[-] brbposting 5 points 1 week ago

3.5 died on Arizona roads yesterday and 3.5 more will die today - think the robots will be safer than us someday?

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

They already are, the media just reports on every one of these crashes. Even just reporting on each human fatality daily would put things closer to perspective even with every autonomous accident being reported as if it were the end times.

[-] Scubus 2 points 1 week ago

Well, considering way more than 3.5 people crash and die in Arizona every day.... I'd say yes. They will become safer about a year ago it sounds.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

Wait... Did the car actually stop for the police officer? Or did they have to basically block the car to get it to stop?

[-] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

That's Waymo excitement than they are used to over there in Phoenix.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Previously

[-] [email protected] 2 points 1 week ago

Melt it for scrap. No driver means no one’s responsible, so turn that shit into scrap metal.

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