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submitted 11 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

cross-posted from: https://mlem.a-smol-cat.fr/post/77878

The far-right Alternative for Germany party has become increasingly influenced by extremist conspiracy theorists, according to the head of German domestic intelligence.

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[-] [email protected] 68 points 11 months ago

In other news, water is wet.

[-] [email protected] 28 points 11 months ago

They're extremists now. They used to be extremists too, and they still are.

[-] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago

My understanding is that they used to be driven by people with primarily economic issues with the euro, some economists. I don't think that that's really what I'd call extremism.

googles

Here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_for_Germany?wprov=sfla1

AfD was founded by Gauland, Bernd Lucke, and former members of the Christian Democratic Union of Germany (CDU) to oppose the policies of the Eurozone as a right-wing and moderately Eurosceptic alternative to the centre-right but pro-European CDU. The party presented itself as an economic liberal, soft Eurosceptic, and conservative movement in its early years. AfD has subsequently moved further to the right, and expanded its policies under successive leaderships to include opposition to immigration, Islam, and the European Union. Since 2015, AfD's ideology has been characterised by Islamophobia, anti-immigration, German nationalism, national-conservative, and Euroscepticism.

Yeah, WP doesn't describe the euro issue, but does talk about the shift.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernd_Lucke

Bernd Lucke (born 19 August 1962) is a German economist and politician. Lucke was elected a Member of the European Parliament (MEP) for the Alternative für Deutschland (AfD) in 2014.

Lucke lost the leadership of the AfD to Frauke Petry in July 2015. Petry's election was considered a shift of the party to extremist positions; Lucke subsequently left the party. In July 2015 he and other former AfD members founded the political party Liberal-Konservative Reformer (formerly Allianz für Fortschritt und Aufbruch, "Alliance for progress and renewal", abbreviated ALFA).

Also, that shot of Lucke reminds me of the MAD kid, Alfred E. Newman:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernd_Lucke#/media/File%3ABernd_Lucke_(2014).jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alfred_E._Neuman

[-] [email protected] 68 points 11 months ago

The headline reminds me of this:

[-] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

got the image wrong...too early...will strike through thenteyt as soon as I'm at my laptop!

~~Germany is not runned by Nazis nor are we supporting this change in our country! We are and we will actively fight this change, I can you promise that...~~

[-] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago

Du hast meinen Kommentar völlig falsch verstanden. Das Bild karikiert wie offensichtlich der Zusammenhang ist.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago

ah mein fehler dann, tschuldigung!

[-] [email protected] 45 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Funny thing is that the AFD has been labeled as a "suspected" extremist group by our intelligence service and are still allowed to be active... Sometimes I don't understand how my own country works...

[-] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago

Not as an extremist group, but as a suspected extremist group, that's a difference. Therefore they also can't use surveillance measures against them yet.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago
[-] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

We even allow the NPD (or “Heimat“ now).

[-] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

Tbf they only avoided banning due to them being irrelevant and the judged agreed that banning them would likely give them more popularity.

[-] [email protected] 42 points 11 months ago

"Wait, it's all nazis?" 👨‍🚀 🔫 👨‍🚀 "Always has been..."

[-] [email protected] 32 points 11 months ago

Taken over? They ARE and always have been a far right extremist organization.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

True. When Bernd Lucke left the party in 2015 the reasons he stated for doing so were the islamophobic and racist ideology..

That was only two years after the party was founded. I believe him having different intentions for the party, but their members must've always been full of far-right extremists.

[-] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

And Luckes new found irrelevant party is also not exactly hesitant on these issues. Their are also fiercly against abortion, LGBT rights, islamophobic and against migration, all with strong neoliberalism.

So it is like a red-pill incel telling someone he is going too far with sexism.

[-] gonzo0815 10 points 11 months ago

Yeah really. I hate this wording. As if the afd is an innocent victim that had honourable goals, but got taken over by fascists from outside.

Radical nationalist ideology has always been embedded deeply in its core.

[-] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago

@BlackRose I am wondering whether the increase of the AfD together with the actual momentum of extreme right wing parties in other countries can jeopardize the estability of European institutions after the next European elections.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago

That's honestly one of my biggest fears right now...

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