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I just don't see it happening. Shit I have a hard time getting them to use god damn Whatsapp or Telegram (still bad but at least better than Instagram).

They are all iPhone users in the US so as you may expect they are too damn lazy to install another messaging app despite having Instagram Snapchat Tiktok BeReal and whatever shitty social media app that exists on the App Store.

For the love of god don't just say "you need bettee friends" πŸ˜‚ cause let's be honest finding a privacy conscious person that you also can get along with in the US as Gen Z is practically impossible.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago

I deleted Facebook and Instagram and joined Signal. Not everybody transitioned (instead they wanted me to join WhatsUp lol), but it was a good decision in the long run.

Of course not everybody will transition as well, but let me tell you those who did (in my case) are those who want to be really in contact with you. For the rest I use SMS and E-mail like in the old days haha. You just have to hope that eventually they will join.

It's really hard decision that you have to think about (it took me some time) but I just say "F*** that" and just did it. Until I remove my Fb and Ig they think that I wasn't going to do it but well ^^.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Don't have an answer but sharing in your pain as a millennial. 😭

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Yk it is a sad world we live in when they already have 5 social media/messaging apps on their phone but refuse to download another one

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I can hear the, "But I already have Facebook!" echoing in the halls.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Speaking as someone a bit older, I’ve got an ICQ account, an AIM account, an Apple ID, a Google ID, a few handles on IRC, as well as a Signal account and a Lemmy ID. Never signed up for Facebook, Instagram, SnapChat, Tiktok, etc. because I actually read their license agreements and privacy policies and in some cases had actual human interactions with some of the owners.

Having said all that, just do you. If you drift away from some of your friends because they’re unwilling to interact with you away from their established online media platform, that’s not the end of the world; it just frees you up for more worthwhile relationships and activities.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (3 children)

I'm 35 now, and I was told recently that not having a Facebook account is a red flag for dating now.

Oh fuckin well, nobody was kicking my door down before I left the site either haha.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

"Red flag for dating"... They can ask questions and talk... I heard this line for employment

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Even like almost a decade ago, having a Facebook account was the red flag for me.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

@CannaVet

@PrivateOnions

Millennial here. Lucky enough that about 1/3rd of our friend group (and four family members) are somewhat privacy focused and moved to Signal. But getting the rest of everyone to move to better E2E messaging is rough.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I converted my racing group chat because the picture and video quality was better than SMS across Android to iPhone. That's it so far.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I just told everyone "I am only using Signal from now on. If you want to message me do it through that." Worked for those who actually want to keep in touch.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

That's kind of what it came down to for me too. Hey signal is good and its free. I don't have Snapchat, fb, tiktok, WhatsApp or telegram. Its signal or SMS.

Also if you can get a group together for a purpose like playing call of duty together that can help with adoption.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

Tell them if they want to speak to you they need to download signal. If they are actual friends they do, if not... Well nothing lost.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

The problem is they will keep talking, but they will just use SMS which is absolute dogshit for sending pictures and stuff

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I know not everyone is willing to do this, but I just made myself unreachable elsewhere and many started using signal for that reason.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Good thing you happened to be popular then. It's akin to self-ostracizing for most, especially young people.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

What other option is there? If you can't convince them yourself, it's not like the internet has some magic bullet for making them switch to another app.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I did the same, and yes, I'm now perpetually out of the loop on group things. But people text me details as required.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm not popular at all, I've got like 4 friends lol. I'm Gen Z too, so not sure why you're implying that I'm not young.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

A few years ago I got 5 of my millennial friends to move from FB Messenger to Telegram and it took some peer pressure from me and essentially one hangout where we were all together, and moved in one go. Telegram is not perfect but overall it's much better than being on FB messenger.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Instructions unclear, currently in jail for kidnapping and aggravated assault

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I hope one day, that we have a viable protocol like email that will free everybody from vendor lock-in into messaging apps. Allowing us to chose our platform freely.

Unfortunately, I don’t think Matrix is there yet

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (7 children)

I bridge WhatsApp, Telegram, Signal and Slack using Matrix.

Works extremely well for me.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I'm out of the loop just learning privacy things, what's matrix?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

@scott TIL bridging exists, I'll check it out!

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Set up matrix instance and invite them. Better to use something you control over signal which is run by a company on their servers. Saves you the trouble of having to do this all again down the line if something happens with signal. Also there are many chat bridges for stuff like signal, IG, WhatsApp, etc. Theres even an Imessage one but it is not in the ansible playbook yet.

https://github.com/spantaleev/matrix-docker-ansible-deploy makes it very simple to deploy.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Wait, people are using Instagram for personal communications with family?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

We should be aware that signal might not be the promised lands. It was created by a CIA affiliate. It's also suspectible to National Security Letters from the U.S., requiring it to disclose information about its users.

A viable alternative might be France based Olvid. But I haven't done much research on them.

Sources:

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For real, just my closest friends have gotten signal, and techies, and privacy focused family. Slow up hill battle tbh.

My next trick is more family on the wagon, by convincing them to do more video calls through signal. They want to use Duo, but we are getting closer to more family with Signal than Duo.

Something that also helps, shame them for watching ads, there is no reason you have to watch ads unless you are using the shitty apps that force it on you. You separate them from ads though and you get less push back on new apps. Them ads really do be working on people.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah have the same issue. Why tf are all the normies using this dogwater called wattsapp is beyond me.
I just stopped using those apps, if anybody wants to reach me, they have my number. Suddenly I have a bit more free time. Win win.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You may want to give this a quick read before using signal

https://dessalines.github.io/essays/why_not_signal.html

I personally haven't verified the claims on there but I've been using a personal instance of Matrix for a while now and it's been working great.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

This is straight up misinformation about Signal. The internet was made in part by the US government, so was Tor. You don't avoid using those, and it's very public knowledge that they were created with help from the feds.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There's no easy receipt. Crunch them one by one. Prepare good (and simple!) reasons why the alternatives aren't acceptable for you.* Start with people you message daily. If someone only receives one message from one person once in a while, they won't stick for sure.

Try to migrate group chats, after some fraction of people agreed to try it out. FOMO will make the people to check the app.

If you have the most important people convinced, delete WhatsApp and Telegram and stick with it.

I moved from WhatsApp when Facebook bought it. I was able to move most of the people to Telegram (wouldn't choose that today anymore). Now, WhatsApp is just off the table. If someone ask me for "my WhatsApp" and isn't willing to use one of the options I offer (Matrix, Signal, Telegram, Threema), I use the inferior SMS, call or (extreamly rare) email. That's the deal, take it or leave it. I'm not willing to use a messaging app from one of the worst companies acting against many of my principles. If you can't respect this, we won't stay in contact. Period.

* Edit: collection of bad press as a reference can help.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Pay them or buy them a beer.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Practically impossible, but when you do meet them, you are certain they are fucking awesome.

Sorry can't give you more advice, people will continue doing what is convenient/popular until they grow over it, some (most?) never do...

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