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You know that saying: "Don‘t attribute to malice what can be explained by incompetence."
I think with rich people there is often some assumption that they‘re generally competent because they are rich, so what looks like stupidity on their part could be some grandiose plan.
I don‘t think so, because I think for most of them they simply got lucky and that is why they are rich, so they are just as capable of stupidity as the average person.
No. He's made comments praising Elon's "cost savings" at Twitter. I think he's a petulant child who's emulating an idiot.
i have the same questions
Too late. If he had done what was expected and walk back the prices, worked with the Apollo dev and others, the going dark protests and this migration might not have ever happened, and Redditors would have just sighed and kept doing their thing. He tripled down, has been continuing to do so, and so regardless of what happens to him the damage is deep, no matter how long Reddit keeps a large user base.
I didn't think Musk could be this stupid either though. I keep trying to find ways that he's playing 4D chess, but come up empty handed each time.
I half believe that he's a time traveler and has seen the future. In that future, Twitter lead to significant damage to human population as a whole, and that the only way Elon can save the future is by destroying Twitter and driving it into the ground until it becomes 4chan 2.0
Isnt he supposedly one of the of the original creators? Doesnt seem like the person to purposely make a fallguy… unless hes dumb and corpos thought him to be a liability because he moderated the jail bait sub… which the more i think of it.. the workers that tend to judgd offensive content on Facebook/apple/google… if they used to be normal they arent be anymore.
u/spez the long time moderator of r/jailbait?
Look, i dislike Spez as much as the next guy, but this has been disproven plenty of times. He was added as a mod back when you could just be added without having to accept the position.
Let's talk about all the positive coverage he gave to the creator of jailbait, creepshots, and other similar subreddits, going so far as to give him a unique "Pimp Daddy" flair
I... don't really care? This isn't Monty Python and the Holy Grail. Saying that spez has been sacked ain't gonna fix things.
Hang on, if we (and by we, I mean those that still have Reddit accounts) will be able to vote out mods, why not demand that we have the ability to vote out the board too? They want more democracy? They should extend that to the whole of the platform. Seems reasonable to me.
It would be a very interesting IPO if every Redditor received shares proportional to their karma.
The Board and Investors want a big IPO - that is their goal. Charging developers for API access was one tactic to help clean up the books in service of the big IPO.
But in pursuing the API pricing so aggressively, Spez has put Reddit in a negative light in the press. He's driven users to other platforms. And he has continued to poke and prod at the userbase to the ultimate harm of Reddit. The value that would have been gained from charging API access pales in comparison to the value that has been lost over the last couple weeks.
The money people want their money, and Spez has reduced the amount of money they will be receiving.
Enjoy the Federation, fuck Reddit ownership.
I was thinking the same.
I mean, he's not Musk, he can't afford to just spit crap all day like he's doing, any "sane" company would have closed his mouth long ago and let PR people talk in his place.
So why the company is letting him do that? To get all the heat and then fire him as a scapegoat? Very possible.
I just hope people won't buy it this time, one Ellen Pao is enough.
Does Reddit actually have a BOD? I thought it was just technically Steven Newhouse in control, if not effectively. If Advance Publications is still majority owner, I wonder if he is even aware of everything going down there since Reddit would be such a small part of that empire..
Yeah right, spez was one of the people who scapegoated ellen pao. He's not a victim here. He's just run out of people to throw under the bus. He thought he could throw the mods under again and this time they walked. Much like Trump with lawyers - believed he'd never run out
I think these rich guys are exactly as dumb as they seem. I think wealth has absolutely zero to do with intellect. I think people continually attribute these '4d chess' moves to these guys, or claim they are victims of 'shadowy cabals' because they can't accept that people with so much power can really be that simple, greedy, and dangerous.
I disagree, to some extent. Yes, being wealthy makes people out of touch with reality, but it's definitely possible for wealthy people to pull their heads out of their asses and do some 4D chess stuff that nobody else saw coming. Companies often have motivations and deals going on that are kept secret from the public, so something that seems weird and arbitrary from outside can absolutely make sense from the inside.
In that context, it makes sense: if you see a company doing some weird shit you don't understand, you might wonder whether there's something going on beneath the surface that makes that a valid decision, and you'll never -truly- know until it either comes to fruition and turns out to have been smart (and usually, cruel) all along, or... some dumbass dude with emerald-mine-wealth goes bankrupt.
That said, wealthy people often lose sight of what normal people are like, and their attempted 4D chess sometimes just falls flat due to being so out of touch.
... Taking the money-hoarders' side makes me feel dirty. Fuck the rich and fuck capitalism. I just wanted to add that.
I agree with your take mostly, although I'll add that usually 'beneath the surface' goings on are well understood by everyone else, despite what dumbshit the capitalists are saying.
For example the motivation for back to office is clearly about real estate values in expensive cities at its root, but those making the decision are naming every other cause under the sun. In this example, they aren't playing '4d chess', they're criminally out of touch.
They also use this stereotype to make people think they are capable of innovation, when really capitalism has never truly innovated anything because new ways to create scarcity. Even now they are trying to think of ways to outlaw normal people from owning solar panels in many places because free energy from the sun SUCKS for capitalism.
Furthermore I can't think of any '4d chess' examples by rich people myself. Do you have any?
All sorts of nasty tricks to push people out of housing and buy up the homes cheaply, would be my first thought. They've made an art form out of stealing (or technically-not-stealing) things out from other people. But yeah, I don't have any particular examples ready right now, either.
oh I see what you mean - basically new ways to be villainous. Yeah I agree whenever they manage something impressive, its impressively evil.
I won't be surprised if the board ousts him over the PR mess he has created in the wake of this. But I highly doubt you can compare the two so closely. The board wants money and is presenting him with strategies. The dude is the CEO and is acting on those recommendations on his own accord. All the earmarks of a tech CEO who has finally drank too much of his own kool-aid. If anything I could see Ellen Pao being entirely his doing - and this is some weird cosmic force of karma coming back for revenge.
I cannot find it now but I recall reading recently (during the start of the blackout) how spez thought reddit wasn't so good, and wanted to sell out while he still had a chance. So that's how reddit got sold to Condo Naste or Advanced Publications or whoever owns reddit now.
Then spez latter regretted it seeing reddit's value go up. So this IPO is his second change to get that payout.
I think spez is in control here, and these are his wishes. But yeah, leaving soon after IPO isn't unlikely - spez would have gotten his payout by then, so, yeah.
Well Musk absolutely was this stupid. We has content moderation experts lay out in specific detail how not to fuck Twitter up. And he totally fucked Twitter up in the way we were warned would happen.
I think these guys are just so far removed from us normies as to have no context how or why their companies
does it really matter what is behind tbe curtains? What we are presented is a shitty ceo and crappy company. Trying to create a story without any basis is presumptious and only divides the people further.
i honestly don't give a fuck. no way i'm going back no matter who they put in charge