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GNOME Devs Are Working on a New Window Management System (9to5linux.com)
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[–] [email protected] 105 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

The 9to5 article is poorly written. In the first paragraph 9to5 says a new window system is "scheduled to replace" the current one, but this is not true. The cited blog post explicitly says "There’s no timeline or roadmap at this stage". The Gnome developers are merely experimenting with a new window management system and at this early stage it's impossible to know what the finished product may look like if these experiments go anywhere at all.

Here's a link to the original blog post where Gnome developer Tobias Bernard explains their dissatisfaction with existing window management systems and discusses the techinical challeneges developers face.

[–] Xttweaponttx 6 points 2 years ago

Thanks!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

That blog post is much, much better. That's a reasonably exciting system; I hope they make it work.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I think this looks amazing. I do like the behaviour of tiling WMs, but having a DE is too comfy for me to give up. This could possibly bring the bestof both worlds.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago (3 children)

There are already ways to have tiling and a DE.

On GNOME, there's PaperWM, although it's not quite traditional tiling either.

On KDE Plasma 5.27+, you can use Polonium. For versions before 5.27, Bismuth.

And on Xfce or LXQt, it's often possible to use them with a traditional tiling WM, like i3wm, bspwm etc..

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 years ago

There's also Forge for GNOME.

[–] eclipse 7 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Try out Pop Shell. Its works very well on my Fedora installs.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Seconding Pop Shell. Very simple install via Gnome extension and it works wonderfully on my daily driver Ubuntu install.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Chiming in with another great alternative, Tactile lets you tile windows and stack at the same time. Between the Tactile hotkeys, Alt+Tab and Alt+~ I never need to use the mouse for window manipulation anymore.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago

You could try Pop!_OS. There you get the full DE, plus tiling implemented by a GNOME extension. You can also just install that extension, of course, or another.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 years ago

I saw this and I really like that they are trying to improve it and innovate. Nothing has happened for a long time in the desktop innovation area since the web took over.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I really enjoy how GNOME handles windows currently already.

Between having the ability to move and resize windows with Super + (mouse left|right), switching between windows of the same application with Super + backtick, workspaces and Super + type to search, there is very little to desire.

Unlike tiling VMs, this makes sense out of the box for 99% of the apps out there while providing a really quick way to get where you need quickly.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

Even better are the three-finger swipe gestures on the laptop trackpad

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 years ago

Innovations are pretty rare in the desktop space but this looks like a really good innovation if implemented bug free.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 years ago

On one hand I'm interested in seeing how well it works and what they do with it, on the other hand...

Source: https://xkcd.com/927/

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 years ago

As long as they're using standard Wayland protocols like xdg_toplevel::set_max_size/::set_min_size, I'm sure the rest of the ecosystem will be on-board for this.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I’ve been such a fan of the Pop_OS window tiling. By far the best implementation I’ve found

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Looks like they have put a lot of thought into it so I'm keen to see where they get with it. My concern with these kind of changes is that they often end up trying to guess what the user wants, which creates an unpredictable behaviour that is then more annoying than it is helpful.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Like how Apple's Stage Manager is unpredictable and gets in the way (reportedly… I deliberately opted out of upgrading).

[–] [email protected] -2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Exactly, for this community is to blame. People mostly are against even minimal and anonymous surveys, telemetry and stuff. So, all they can do is just assuming that people want something or not.

Usually they are talking to active community members, whom, we all know that programmers and technical people.

IMHO, they need a bit more data to decide on

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

And yet it seems to me only GNOME has this problem, and it has been there since Torvalds still publicly executing everyone in mailing list. XFCE, LXQT, hell, even KDE only has minimal complain about unexpected behavior. It seems to me that in a concerted effort to predict as much user behavior as possible, GNOME created this non existent "average user" that conforms to no one, and created this mess on their own.

Also, we are mostly against nonconsensual, non-explicit, or opt-out type of feedback. As far as I concern, efforts to point out to GNOME devs their faults are many to the point its a meme. It is also, not unrelatedly, a meme that GNOME denies these complaints because "the average users wouldn't get it") . I think it should be clear enough by now.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You consent to their design choices by using the DM they are crafting.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Consent doesnt mean agree in this context tho. And it is debatable whether using is consenting. Do I consent to all the shady shit Microsoft was pulling when I install windows? (Looking at the number of debloaters and their received support from community, that seems like a no)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

Well you do consent to it because you have to agree to the EULA when you install Windows

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago

Windows is closed source. The dynamics are different.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 years ago (1 children)

This looks super promising to me, as it seems to blend the best of both tiling and floating windows. I hope they manage to work this in to future versions of Gnome.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 years ago

Indeed! It might be a good way to sneak tiling into the workflow of users that wouldn't actively set to using it.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 years ago

Not really digging the dragging windows with the mouse bit. Hopefully will be workable with keyboard only.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 years ago (1 children)

We’re the little video clips not working for anyone else?

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Worked fine for me (firefox mobile).

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

Funny, that, didn't work for me on ff/Android.

Edit: on reload, it suddenly did. 🤷‍♂️

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 years ago

At this point what I think Gnome should add is a Samsung-style touch friendly multitasking system. Stuff with touch dragable handles between apps