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[–] [email protected] 56 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/review-of-politics/article/abs/on-the-woman-question-in-machiavelli/E311D336805BA0CF5611E6B79C1EC603

Extract

Although Machiavelli has been widely condemned as a misogynist, his three central political works feature dozens of women who engage in efficacious and often praiseworthy political action. To appreciate fully the character and value of their activity and ultimately Machiavelli's views on women as potential political agents, one must first carefully attend to his conception of animo. Usually translated as “spiritedness,” animo represents the natural assertiveness, energy, and resoluteness that forms the basis of virtù if properly disciplined – usually by a city's modes and orders. By examining the plight of women, however, Machiavelli turns to those persons who stand outside the city's political institutions and thus tend to exercise unbridled animo, for better or for worse. In addition to revealing his deep preoccupation with political outsiders, Machiavelli's appreciation of the political problems associated with womanhood also discloses one of his most radical impieties-the denaturalization of gender norms, an impiety we are only beginning to appreciate today

🤷 I am definitely not a philosopher or political scientist.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It shows our failure as a species that most people don't understand that Machiavelli's most famous work was satire.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (1 children)

The Prince was certainly not satire. He wrote it to Lorenzo de Medici with the intention of being hired as his advisor. The entire book is specific instructions of how to rule for this very purpose. Of course he wasn't hired, since the book boils down to "be as duplicitous as you can be to get what you want."

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 months ago (1 children)

"be as duplicitous as you can be to get what you want."

Ok, maybe I'm missing it then. I thought that made it obvious satire. Is this another Poe's law situation?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

No, Machiavelli sincerely argued for this kind of extreme pragmatism--do whatever's necessary to get what you want. It was wasn't satire. It's pretty obvious why he didn't get the job as advisor, though.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago

Well shit. I got Poe'd by a dead man.

[–] objectionist 51 points 6 months ago (2 children)

you can’t just put a rounded rectangle with a fraction in it and not expect me to swipe to the next photo smh

[–] [email protected] 52 points 6 months ago (3 children)

Here, have a random 2nd photo.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 6 months ago (1 children)

But it doesn't say 2/2 on it!

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I'm afraid the horse will eat the pepper. Is it in any danger?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

The lady at the bottom left is waiting for it, and she's a horse girl, it will not pass.

[–] objectionist 8 points 6 months ago

i love it, thank you

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 months ago

Thank God, I can kill myself now.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

I thought I was missing part of the joke, had to come to the comments to make sure.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago (1 children)

I just spent 20 seconds trying to swipe to the next image.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

you got off easy. some of us have been trying for minutes

[–] [email protected] 11 points 6 months ago (1 children)

This is false. That's clearly not Tupac.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 months ago (1 children)

That's Tupac's hologram, the real Tupac is Asian.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

And he's in Cuba

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 months ago

You know, this makes me think why arranged/forced marriages were the norm in the past. Dating is hard by its nature even with today's "convenience" of digital technology.