Bring them a dumb phone. Ask them to install the app on it for you. Tell then you are not buying a new phone just to use the gym.
this post was submitted on 29 Apr 2024
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And they will say you can’t go to the gym, then. I agree this is enshittification but this isn’t a magic trick that lets you bypass the app
It’s not, but I pushed back on my gym and they got me a barcode key tag. The app just shows a barcode anyway so I lucked out. I took a picture of the barcode and use that to get into the gym. Doesn’t hurt to try
Doing that makes it so they need to support the old system since some people keep asking for it. All I’m saying is, your actions help so thank you!
Assume they’d let ask you to have staff let you in every time, same as someone whose battery died. Pretty soon they’d recognize you and quickly buzz/wave you along, I figure.
That's how I play the game, you get on first name basis with people too that way..
This isn't a magic trick. This is more about pushing and seeing how far they would bend.
Like what you said, if all else it's a way out of the stupid agreements with gyms.
That isn’t how contracts work
So if you can't get in a gym because of a technology they added after you signed, they will just continue to charge you?
That's what you think will happen?
Knowing corporate gyms.... Probably.
Yes that’s absolutely what will happen. They likely have language in the contract you signed allowing them to do just that.
You are paying for access to the gym. They don’t have to provide you access via a card or a list or an app - they probably specify that they can refuse access for a variety of reasons, including “safety and privacy” or some shit they can shoehorn an app into. You don’t have a legal right to access a place via the mechanism you choose.
Looking online at similar situations people had their membership canceled by management. Other cases showed bring able to enter by a phone number, by their old tag, or ID verification. Looks like it happened for people whose app kept on crashing or a work phone that wouldn't allow installs.
Which gym would just keep charging you if you said you can't get in?
I never said they’d charge you, I said they wouldn’t just let you in.
You literally said Yes when he asked that question earlier. We can all read it.
Ah I missed the part where you said “and charge you.” There’s nothing in contracts like these that says the gym has to let you identify yourself in any way you choose and I don’t see why you think there would be.
I'm guessing he was referring to the actual practice of a gym doing something like that. I'm sure there is whatever statement in the gym contract that says that they can change access. I wouldn't know. I just use the gym in my apartment.
In practice, most businesses will work to accommodate you if there is a change like this and you can't adapt. Someone else mentioned that their gym has an app and it doesn't work all the time and have to use fobs still. Most managers will work with a customer and take care of the few that need extra attention.
Most gym employees don’t have that level of discretion in the US at least. Most gyms I’m aware of are franchises and asking a wage employee to go against their corporate policies risks their livelihood.
Isn't that illegal though?
Isn’t what illegal? They are allowed to determine how you access their gym.
Making apps mandatory. Idk about the US but I'm pretty sure here it's illegal
Sometimes the app just shows a barcode that they scan. I always screenshotted the barcode and deleted the app. Better yet, save the barcode in catima https://catima.app/
This would be the best way. Unfortunately they made it the other way around. A screen at the door shows the code, and you scan it with the app.
In my previous gym the code was on the app, but I'm not sure anymore if it was static or it changed over time. But the reader on the door was awful, I used to spend a good 3 minutes trying different angles with my phone to make it recognize the code.
This desperately needs to become an illegal industry. Perfectly legitimate businesses are letting their real business fall to the wayside as they convert their profits to a fucking consumer spying business. I'm sick of it. I'm sick of all the tracking, and I'm sick of ads popping up in new places all the freaking time. You go to pump gas and a commercial starts blaring in your face. You can't escape it. You can't get a moment of peace to sit with your thoughts. It's negatively affecting our entire society, yet every business is pursuing it with zeal and the politicians aren't doing jack shit to protect the people. Matter of fact the government is buying the data too. I never imagined this is what the future would look like when I was growing up.
Well ads themselves aren't that big of an issue for me (though they can be a pain for people with photosensitive epilepsy which can be used as an argument for restricting them btw) but other than that I agree. Unfortunately governments won't shut it down because it's not just an amazing data source and optimization of human resources (because they can just buy data instead of hiring a lot of agents) but also a lot of income in taxes when the data is sold
My old college dorm did this, I told them I don't have a smartphone (lie) and they gave me an access card that works 100% of the time without needing a charge. They might do the same at your gym.
The apps requirement pisses me off. Both Android/IOS have some sort of pass system.
probably best to stay with a locally owned gym if poasible
All of my local gyms in my last 3 areas have been super pricy. Like $75-$150 a month. It may not seem high, but when you can get a franchise membership for $10-$30, it's a hard sale.
I have had luck with specialty stuff though. Yoga is common to have discounts and decent pricing if that's anyone's jam.
I'm guessing the higher price is based on the expectation that you will actually use the gym, and not priced with the hope you never show up.
I'd speak to management and voice your concerns regarding the app, and ask if there is another method available for entry. If not, I'd cancel my membership and look for another gym that respects my privacy.
i hate apps as well, but there is some efficiency gained in not having to manage the infrastructure required for 'cards'. its not always about the data mining.
i have 'utility' device that is an old cell phone with no cellular access used for this kind of nonsense. i also use it for music (pseudo-ipod)
For not having some infra managing "cards", to have some infra managing app instead. Let's be real, that infra (and managing work) most likely is being out sourced to another company. I think the "efficiency gained" is minimal, but rather the cost to operate. With apps, they can recoup some cost by selling your data.
Great use for an old phone! I have some lying around. This is one of those forehead-slapping moments for me.
That sucks. The last gym I was at had the access cards too which was great. I’m fortunate now to be able to have a home gym, so I don’t have to worry about that kind of enshittification.
My gym did that. But it’s not really an app, it’s a QR code you pull up to scan, wrapped in some semblance of trying to be an app. Which means I took a screenshot and just pulled that up. Still stupid.
But you can also just print it out and put it on a card 😎
Join a local sports club, meet new people, volunteer, have fun for cheap.
i don't even take my phone with me when i go out for the gym 🤷
people are stuck to their phones! i see people doing crunches while watching a video on their phones in one of their hands. Hurts to look at their pitiful postures.
aren't there any laws there for guaranteeing accessibility?
My gym does this. I carry one my old phones in my console with nothing but the gym app on it. I turn it on when I park, it connects to wifi while I'm walking in, I scan the code then turn it off and throw it in my bag.
I'm going to be moving into a van in the next few years full-time, travelling around Australia and using gyms for showers and, well, exercise. I don't know if it's already an issue over here or not, but I sure hope it won't be by the time I can move out in the van full-time, cause this is one of the best ways of accessing showers without building one into the van.
For gym next to me you need smart card and also fingerprint to enter 🤣. Im happy I dont do any workouts
they also incentivized people to track their workouts, meals and bodyweight using the gym’s app (of course I never used any of these features).
wonder how much of a kickback they get from this. I can't see another good reason to fuck with your userbase.
Impulse? Got a similar mail yesterday for my gym too, doubt I'll bother until my card stops working. Cards are simply more reliable than apps.
Ask to speak with management
and then?
Scream, “Do you know who I am???”
60% of the time, it works every time.
The only thing I want that a gym might have is a pull up bar. Other than that, two kettlebells plus cals plus running give me more than enough challenge. Gymnastics rings on a long belt plus a sturdy tree branch can stand in for a pull up bar.
Unless you are a pro and need access to a climbing gym, which is very hard to completely replace without a trip to a boulder, gyms are rip offs.
I exercise on and off all my life, with at least 20 exercising years. I did college gyms, ymca, paid gyms, and once even a bona fide body building club with a proper hulking ph. d. as a trainer. I have plenty of experience with many modalities.
My two cents, look into advanced cals, and running, and look up "dynamic tension" by Charles Atlas, and screw the gym. If you can, add some kettlebells and a pull up bar. With dynamic tension you can do pulling movements without a pull up bar.
This makes me so angry I almost want to steal a nuclear missile (no jokes)