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A CSIS officer's allegation that she was raped repeatedly by a superior in agency vehicles set off a harassment inquiry, but also triggered an investigation into her that concluded the alleged attacks were a "misuse" of agency vehicles by the woman.

She is the same officer whose sexual assault allegations in a story published by The Canadian Press prompted public pledges of reform last year from David Vigneault, the director of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service.

The officer said she was never told she was the subject of an investigation, or that it concluded she committed misconduct by using "service equipment" to conduct what the investigator's report said was a "romantic relationship with a colleague."

The woman said she believed the investigation was reprisal for her rape complaint, and she only found out about the probe this year, 10 months after its conclusion, when she made an access-to-information request for her personal information held by the service.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 51 points 7 months ago

Am I reading this right? Officer gets raped by mentor in service vehicle multiple times. They file a complaint and an investigation is launched. A second investigation is triggered that finds that the officer getting raped while in a service vehicle counts as her using the service vehicle to conduct a romantic relationship?

Well I guess she shouldn't have gotten raped huh. At very least if she was going to get raped it shouldn't have been in a service vehicle.

Madness.

[โ€“] [email protected] 32 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I'm sorry, the female officer got investigated and written up for being sexually assaulted in a work vehicle???

JFC, bastards even to their own.

[โ€“] [email protected] 13 points 7 months ago

There are no good cops. Anyone who joins the force to try to improve is either driven out or killed.

[โ€“] [email protected] 21 points 7 months ago

The accused left the service the day before the meeting about not raping your underlings.

Too bad, I feel like the rapist really could have taken something from a meeting like that, maybe a pair of handcuffs and an extended vacation in Awaiting trial.

[โ€“] [email protected] 14 points 7 months ago (3 children)
[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago

CSIS are spies. So ASAB.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)
[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I can only speak for myself and not OP here but if she left, then ~~probably~~ possibly not. The career folks? Definitely. If their hiring profile is anything like that of the CIA, they have a specific preference for sociopaths/narcissists-- folks who are very good at manipulating others.

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

She took the job there in the first place. She probably did that job for some amount of time. And she must have fit the profile if they hired her in the first place.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Maybe I'm being naive, but in the absence of solid evidence, my working assumption is that they have some satellite pattern of people who have parts of the spectrum of traits they want, but not all of them. If so, then that means that although they would suppress it for the job, some of them surely have a conscience.

But I admit this is all hypothetical, just based on things I've read and some specific testimony I heard in a podcast that shed more light on things recently.

Anyway, I did a slight edit above: ~~probably~~ --> "possibly."

[โ€“] [email protected] -2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

My sister in-law moonlights as an EMT and firefighter when she's not a cop. Is she a bastard then?

[โ€“] [email protected] 9 points 7 months ago (1 children)

There's always a chance she's a "good apple" that just hasn't washed out yet but otherwise the answer is probably yes.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago (1 children)

The full saying is โ€œa few bad apples will spoil the bunch.โ€ Because if you toss a rotting apple into a barrel of good apples, the off-gassing from the rotting apple will quickly rot the good ones. Youโ€™ll quickly end up with an entire barrel of bad apples, due to adding one bad apple to the barrel.

Even โ€œgoodโ€ cops will quickly turn rotten, because theyโ€™ll be forced into covering for the โ€œbadโ€ cops. Because if they donโ€™t cover for the bad cops, they get forced out.

Thus, all cops are bastards. Because if someone is a cop, theyโ€™re either a bad cop or covering for bad cops (and are thus, a bad cop themselves.)

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago

Right, meaning she's a bastard, or is new enough in her career that she just hasn't quit yet.

[โ€“] [email protected] 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

All cops eventually become bastards or quit.

I.e. the good apples eventually rot too or get removed from the bushel.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago

Absolutely disgusting. Shame on CSIS. Our law enforcement/intelligent agencies seem as likely to commit actions that are harmful to society as they are to investigate them

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 7 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The woman said she believed the investigation was reprisal for her rape complaint, and she only found out about the probe this year, 10 months after its conclusion, when she made an access-to-information request for her personal information held by the service.

That was eight days after she had formally alleged to CSIS that she was raped nine times by an officer decades older than her, who had been assigned to mentor her on surveillance missions as her "road coach."

Matt Malone, an assistant law professor at Thomson Rivers University who has handled hundreds of complaints as a workplace investigator, said Jane Doe's treatment was "mind-boggling."

Days after the story was published, Vigneault called a town hall meeting for all 3,000-plus CSIS staff about the women's allegations, which he said left him "deeply troubled."

He told staff the alleged rapist had left the service the day before the meeting and that he was ordering the "urgent" creation of an ombudsperson's office to handle workplace problems "without fear of reprisal."

She told The Canadian Press that during her 2022 interview, the investigator didn't ask her for any specifics about the alleged sexual assaults, which she had documented in her complaint with dates, times and locations.


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