FDO's conduct enforcement actions regarding Vaxry : linux

[–] [email protected] 28 points 4 months ago (2 children)

Good to know which community to avoid if I ever get into Tiling WMs

[–] [email protected] 16 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Really is a good WM though. Thankfully I haven't had to interact with the community yet.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 4 months ago

It's pretty normal from what I've seen. A few bunch of edgy onliners that troll general chat but other than that it's alright. Varxy also posts some edgy gay stuff every now and then. If you just stick to the hyprland channels you won't have a problem.

[+] [email protected] -5 points 4 months ago (1 children)

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 4 months ago (1 children)

Looks like there's plenty of ground and from what I read about vaxry, they seem to be a bigot at best and a cryptofash at worst.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (1 children)

That's because he is increadibly bias and is presenting "facts" in the worst possible light by manipulating context. The references they have are bias at best https://blog.vaxry.net/articles/2023-hyprlandsCommunity

for instance the pronouns thing. https://blog.vaxry.net/resource/articleDrew/pic1.png

Key takeaways:

The victim misgenders staff on purpose. The victim doesn't seem to even treat their pronouns seriously, stating it's only to make people angry. Labelling this as a "harassment campaign" is a joke.

For another instance of how people are using willful ignorance to attack vaxry, look no further then the recent email

https://blog.vaxry.net/resource/articleFDO/LyudeMails.pdf from https://blog.vaxry.net/articles/2024-fdo-and-redhat

Hazing someone in your discord because they have pronouns in their bio

Speaking pretty bluntly against queer people and minorities at large

"at 15 he doesnt even know what he will be studying at uni and he already wanna go get AIDS?"

"I think this server's motto should be 'love guns, hate damn minorities™

Vaxry got warned for these.

The first one as went over, an already bias situation, nothing to do with bigotry
The second one is somehow bad? Im not sure i follow, they give no explanations are context for this. Simply "speaking bluntly" should not be taken as bigotry.
I'm personally not sure what anything the 3rd point has to do with bigotry.
the forth one is best explained from vaxry's response

This relates to the 4th quote you gave. For what it is worth, that is a direct quote from a comedy

Back to drews garbage, he quotes the podcast clearly hoping people don't watch it, youtube link here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nskemNa_Kn4 , full link is here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ic1zzb_xl4

The whole "not as bad as calling someone the n-word thing" yes vaxry did say that, but he also said, before and after, that yes it was unprofessional behavior, and that it's not allowed anymore. Something drew very conveniently left out

He compared himself to Terry Davis, the late operating system developer whose struggles with mental illness were broadcast for the world to see, citing a video in which he answers a phone call and refers to the person on the phone by the N-word “ten times” – Vaxry compares this to his approach to answering “stupid questions”.

This is some of the most malicious ways of relaying what Vaxry talked about. Just listen to it yourself https://youtu.be/nskemNa_Kn4?t=730

Perhaps not worth much, but my interpetation of it had nothing to do with racism as devault so heavily implies here, It as he said is about the attitude.

I highly reccomend watching the content and replies, because drew's entire thing is based on taking various things out of context

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 months ago

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 months ago

transphobes get fucked 🦀🦀🦀🦀

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

Dont want to run your FOSS project professionally and respectfully towards the multitudes of people who may want to work with you? Then dont get upset when people dont want to work with you out of principle.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 months ago (1 children)

I dont understand what FDO has to do with hyprland but a transphobe is a transphobe. I use hyprland daily and thankfully i dont have to interact with the community as the docs are excellent. But still why the hell do you need to be a dickhead. Also this "marginalizing right-wingers" is so fucking funny to read. Who the fuck is marginalizing you. If i remember right hes polish. That place can be quite the conservative hell-hole(coming from someone who also lived in a conservative hellhole(hungary)).

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

Nothing directly, but hyprland being a Wayland-only compositor means the project has input on protocols and the general direction of the spec, which is done entirely within the Freedesktop infrastructure. All FDO has said is "we dont want your community or your toxic behaviour to be associated with FDO" which is rightfully so considering their commercial and community obligations.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 months ago

I feel like we should separate this problem into two problems.

First is Vaxry's behavior. It's by no means ideal, but whether it's really that terrible might not be as clear as it seems. This comment by @[email protected] provides some very interesting points worth reading IMO.

The second problem, that I think is more important, is that whether people should be banned from contributing to FOSS projects because of their behavior outside of it (AFAIK Hyprland community's behavior didn't directly affect FDO's GitLab, please correct me if I'm wrong). Vaxry don't gain anything from contributing to Wlroots (except it helps his Hyprland, from which he also don't gain anything), and his contributions help the whole community. I don't see a reason to deny him helping the whole wayland community, regardless if he is a bad person or not.

My key argument for this is that I don't think FOSS would be in a state it currently is if every project did this. People have various opinions, often very wrong, but in my opinion that's not a reason to not collaborate with them on FOSS software - the code is public and if it's good, it's good. Why does the author matter? As an example, lead dev of Lemmy is an genocide-denying tankie. I more than disagree with his political view and I think it's comparable to nazism in how bad it is. However, I don't see it as a problem if I ever learn rust and contribute to Lemmy codebase, or in filling issues and other ways of collaboration. And I don't see a reason to not use Lemmy because of that.

I know that FDO has right to ban him, but from reading the e-mails, it really seems like the person enforcing the CoC has a personal problem with Vaxry and wanted to use her position to ban him. That's just my feeling though. And of course if FDO reverted her verdict, they would be accused of everything Vaxry was (maybe rightfully) accused of.

I was really thinking about it today and yesterday, and this was what I came up to. I'm definitely open to discussion, but please, keep it civil. Also sorry for my terrible english, I'm working on improving it.

[+] [email protected] -15 points 4 months ago (2 children)

This is crazy guilt by association.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 months ago

Not really. He isn't just assosiated to the hyperland community, he is the leader of it and some if the offending stuff came directly from him.

The FDO was just warning him that if this type of behavior happened again, they wouldn't be working with him anymore and he decided to throw a tamper tantrum. If this is how he reacts to "please don't behave like a piece of s*** in the future", why would the FDO even try to work with him? It's just not worth the trouble.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 months ago

He straight up used transphobic and ableist slurs to refer to his own community members. He's part of the rot.

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