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[–] [email protected] 19 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Not only passkey managers but websites too. I tried to set up a passkey for PayPal but they don't let you set it up unless you're using chrome or safari

[–] akilou 7 points 8 months ago (1 children)

I think this might be on Firefox, not PayPal. But I don't know enough about the situation to be sure.

Proton linked to this Firefox bug report in their article about how to set up passkey in Pass

https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1862132

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This seems to be about android, meant just desktop, where I use Firefox and bitwarden. It works fine with GitHub where I created and use a passkey but PayPal's faq says they only support chrome and safari.

[–] akilou 6 points 8 months ago (1 children)

This is one of the major problems with passkeys that passwords don't have. Are they device-specific, browser-specific, browser-on-device specific? Can I use the same one or do I need a different one if I'm on chrome but two different desktops, or desktop and laptop or if I use both Firefox and Chrome on the same phone/laptop? Until this stuff gets worked out, passkey aren't going to go mainstream.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

In theory, as the article mentions, you should be able to save them to your password manager of choice (if it supports passkeys, bitwarden does on the browser extension but not in the android app yet) and they will sync up through the cloud. So you might have just one passkey for GitHub for example and use that same one on all your devices to log into GitHub.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yes, I noticed that as well. And Google account as well, would not let me register a passkey from Firefox.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Might be because Firefox support for passkeys is fairly recent.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 months ago

I had no problem with FIDO2 security key and other Webauth method so far.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 8 months ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 16 points 8 months ago

Brave, a.k.a Chrome with a lion logo...

[–] [email protected] 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

Does it make sense to sync passkeys? If you sync them they lose their benefit of proving that you have a specific device

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 months ago

They're not a second factor though, they're an alternative to the first factor (the password). I assume you'd still want something else for 2FA.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

@lud @testeronious why the hell would someone design a spec that is dependent on hardware and impossible to port?

[–] anonymouse 6 points 8 months ago (3 children)

Interesting read. Does anyone have experience with the Bitwarden implementation of passkeys? Already on the Proton suite, but still using BW for passwords at the moment since I like the app and extension, but might switch

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 months ago

I have a few PassKeys in my Bitwarden Vault, and am yet to find any problems.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 months ago

I’ve added a google passkey to BW last week. Was fairly easy. Just have to click the “continue” button when prompted by BW.

[–] timbuck2themoon 2 points 8 months ago

I don't think they're supported in mobile till the big app update iirc. On bw that is.