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German civil servants demand ‘immediate’ end to Israeli arms supplies (www.aljazeera.com)

submitted 7 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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According to the organisers of the five-page statement, around 600 civil servants have voiced support for the initiative, which has slowly been gathering traction for months through professional networks and word-of-mouth across a range of ministries.

The senior manager described a “climate of fear” within the civil service that the manager had “never experienced anything like in 15 years”. After internal complaints to ministers about supporting Israel’s war crimes dating from back in October, the manager was warned against talking about it. One director of development even advised against discussions via email, and suggested instead to only use phones so as not to leave a paper trail. “It has been hell for all of us,” said the manager, who singlehandedly gathered more than 100 signatures from colleagues and through professional networks.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I wonder how long it’ll take the BND to identify them all. It would be a priority, given how their anonymous statement would render them constitutionally unsuitable to serve.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 7 months ago

Actually not unlikely that they’ll try identifying the people given that German institutions are infiltrated by literal Nazis. Actually, they have never have been properly removed in the first place.

Needless to say being a nazi is something that renders you constitutionally unsuitable to serve, not being against a genocide.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

The German Power elites never really stopped thinking the same as they did in the "old days" even while the rest of the population actually moved on into the XXI Century.

[+] [email protected] -8 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If you think you're violating your constitutional oath, you gotta stop drop and roll, not sign an anonymous letter.

[–] xmunk 24 points 7 months ago (1 children)

People: Do good thing while risking their jobs.

Internet commenter: "What an awful thing, I surely would do more in that situation."

I agree that more should happen, but I applaud these people for what they're doing.

[+] [email protected] -11 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

I'm making an ethical must statement, not an ethical ought statement. If you believe you're carrying out orders as a civil servant that violate your constitutional oath like they state in the letter you must resign. There's no gray area there.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Which will result in only those remaining which are complicit. This is clearly a negative outcome. 1. For the people resigning, as resigning didn't advance their cause, but made the situation worse. 2. For society, because it made the institution less trustworthy.

[–] [email protected] -3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

If you're carrying out orders in knowing violation of your constitutional oath you are complicit and the institution is inherently corrupt.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 months ago (1 children)

Don't try to use your power to make things better, RESIGN so only the corrupt have power. Then you can say "I did the right thing" as things get worse and worse as every ethical person no longer has any power or authority.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 children)

You're not using power to make things better in that case. You're ACTUALLY using power to make things worse by following unconstitutional orders. But you feel bad about it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 months ago (1 children)

I love how you can't even begin to understand the concept that "if all the people who feel bad about hurting others LEAVE positions of power, the only people left with power are those who don't feel bad"

[–] [email protected] -4 points 7 months ago

It's not about understanding. I'm explicitly stating that it's a distinction without a difference. I know exactly what you're saying and I'm telling you it doesn't matter. There is no functional disparity if the result is the same.