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I never even had a chance to say I was Trans as a kid before being relentlessly bullied for acting myself. Judged for the smallest things because it didn't fit into "my" gender role. For people who knew me closely or the people who judged me, my transition was pretty obviously coming. It just took a decade of living as a husk, depressed and suicidal before getting the finances, strength, and confidence to fight past my childhood trauma.
Too bad I have to live with the consequences and dysphoria of a puberty that I did not want.
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I was born in the early 80's. Most of my introduction to these issues was via 2nd hand accounts from a good friend who was focusing on social issues in her college studies and a lot of the terms freely used today weren't even allowed on TV and only beginning to take root online in certain circles. However, we're all on the Internet right now. It's not so impossible to fit in a bit of reading and research here and there to get a general idea of why psychology has taken this route. I understand where skepticism comes from in weighing new paradigms against the old, but it is better to admit when one doesn't know everything rather than what some posters here are falling into: A trap of certainty born of ego. Just because one doesn't understand all the science is not the same thing as it being unscientific.
It says they graduated HS in '99 in the first sentence
But thanks for confirming bigot assholes are unable to read
So because i misread a date that must mean that i hate gays? Damn that is a stretch
Where did I disagree with anything else that was said?
People didn't talk about wanting a sex change, but loads of us hated our bodies and wanted to wake up in different ones. Given the option and institutional support and reassurance that transitioning would help us, many of us probably would have been convinced to do so
This is actually one of my primary concerns regarding transgenderism in the modern day. I think it's a tool in the toolbelt for when it's necessary. I also think it's a tool we reach for much more often than is necessary.
The comparable example I like to give is adhd. It isn't binary. You don't just have it or don't have it. Some people have symptoms that need no intervention. Some people have symptoms but are misdiagnosed as adhd. Other people get by with therapy alone. Yet others find medication necessary to be functional.
Giving gender affirming care to all people with gender or body dysphoria is like giving high dose Adderall to all people who have trouble paying attention in history class. It's the nuclear option, and you're using it on someone who may not even have adhd, or may not require such a strong intervention.
I know everyone hates this word, but starting with more conservative treatments first is the norm throughout healthcare for exactly this reason. We've made an exception for transgender people for political reasons, not scientific ones.
I also think it's a tool we reach for much more often than is necessary.
Do you have any evidence for this? Because the vast majority of people who transition stick with it, and the vast majority of people who don't go back because of social pressures. here is an article about how many people are happy with the care they receive, I really think you should read it.
The comparable example I like to give is adhd. It isn't binary. You don't just have it or don't have it.
Yes, you either have it or you don't. You either have diagnosable, actual adhd or you don't. Sure, it can be worse for some people. But to be diagnosed, it has to be causing you problems in your life. Mental illnesses aren't something that everyone has to some extent.
Other people get by with therapy alone. Yet others find medication necessary to be functional.
Yes, people cope with their issues in different ways. Same for trans people. Most don't get top or bottom surgery, for example.
I know everyone hates this word, but starting with more conservative treatments first is the norm throughout healthcare for exactly this reason. We've made an exception for transgender people for political reasons, not scientific ones.
I hate the word conservative for reasons completely unrelated to how you use it here, I'm not sure why you'd mention it. And there's not an exception for trans heathcare, why would you think that?
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Mental illnesses aren’t something that everyone has to some extent.
I very much disagree. Many mental illnesses are defined as "the same trait a mentally healthy person has, just too much or too little, to the point where it's causing them distress and interfering with their lives".
Nearly everything is a spectrum. Even the few things that have quantifiable biological markers are usually present in neurotypical people as well, just at a more "normal" level.
Right. (some) Mental illnesses are when that trait is so severe it causes problems for the person. That trait is something everyone has, but not the mental illness. Mental illness is specifically when that trait is severe. It would be saying everyone has a severe issue to some extent, even if it's not severe for them. It just doesn't make sense, and to me weakens what mental illness actually is. If people use adhd to just mean attention issues, even ones so minor they don't cause a person problems, it undermines the word.
Edit: didn't mean to delete the parent comment, I accidentally posted twice. It was the same as above in the thread.
Someone has reported this as "transphobic" so I just want to be clear that every situation is different and people are entitled to express their concerns. There are people who are living their best life afterwards and people that do not get what they expect out of transitioning. It is complex and not something I'm going to sit here and pretend I even understand 100%. I'm just the mod, not an expert. That being said, I'm not just going to censor anyone on here for a mild skepticism. That is your teachable moment if you have something to say. Some people really never never encounter these issues first hand. That doesn't mean they're coming from a place of hate, just confusion, ignorance, etc. Let us be wary not to confuse the two paths and let us remember love leads everyone back regardless of the path. And that's all I've got to say about that. :)
The admins will also remove that comment if it breaks lemmy.worlds instance rules
I'm going to leave that to their discretion without argument. This is a subject matter I am not heavily familiar with. I really don't even understand some of these comments myself.
It's silly that this reasonable comment is being mass downvoted. Things that permanently change people should be done carefully and with a lot of safety checks. We can all agree on that.
For me all of this gets more important the younger the kid is.
I have no bone in this fight, but people shouting like we have all of this 100% figured out is simply wrong.
In fact what I'm seeing is, conservatives are anti trans, which is 100% wrong, so liberals are going 180 against them and claiming everyone should be transitioning.
I was listening to a discussion where a gay man was saying that when he was young, he might have been pushed to transition because he was effeminate, when really he was just gay and is now a happy gay man.
Anyway, I wish people would just come off the extremes and we bring in nuance and humility. Admitting that there is a lot about the human body and mind that we simply don't understand yet.
Things that permanently change people should be done carefully and with a lot of safety checks. We can all agree on that.
Everyone does, and they are being done with lots of checks. The above comment isn't saying that though. They're claiming that those checks aren't being done, which is just not true. The rate people regret gender reassignment surgery is orders of magnitude less then many common surgeries, like knee replacement.
liberals are going 180 against them and claiming everyone should be transitioning.
I have never seen a person arguing for that. I have seen people arguing, and passing laws, for the opposite though.
Liberals arent going 180 and saying everyone should transition.
Liberals are saying it's none of your business and let people make their own life choices. If they want to transition, then let them. If they don't, let them. If they change their mind later, let them.
Everyone has to learn their are consequences to their choices and if they transition before they are sure, it's their choice and their consequences to deal with.
Mind if I ask where you heard liberals are jumping to that extreme? If you talk to random people on the street, I doubt you'd find more than maybe 1/1000 people expressing that view (and even that many would be surprisingly high).
The right wing generally doesn't want people to gain new freedoms. Conservatism, fascism, etc. are hierarchical ideologies. They require people to exist in a chain of command, where lower status people are controlled by those with higher status. One of the biggest tricks used to keep people playing this game is fear. Exaggerated or completely false claims are made and spread amongst their base. "The left wants to take all of your guns!" "The left wants you to worship satan!" "The gays want to ..." etc.
Generally, all the left wants is for everyone to get to live their life without arbitrary restrictions/judgement. If a news source is claiming that "the left" wants to control how someone lives their life, take it with a huge grain of salt. All too often, the bold claims coming from the right are distorted confessions. And if real people on the left are calling for a restriction, the intent is to apply it to everyone, themselves included, and there is a reasoned argument behind that conviction.
I'm all for no restrictions, this whole discussion is mute if we're talking about adults, I give zero fucks what people do with their bodies. I'm strictly speaking about children.
many of us probably would have been convinced to do so
No one is being convinced of anything. People are being enabled to live as their true selves.
I also think it’s a tool we reach for much more often than is necessary.
There is no data to back this up, nor is there any reason to think it's true. Trans people, even just considering the youngest generation, remain a very small percentage of the general population.
Giving gender affirming care to all people with gender or body dysphoria is like giving high dose Adderall to all people who have trouble paying attention in history class. It’s the nuclear option, and you’re using it on someone who may not even have adhd, or may not require such a strong intervention.
Any medical treatment should not be prescribed without a doctor's due consideration. Gender affirming care, at any age, is no different. There is not a nuclear option available or used for minors expressing they want gender affirming care.
I know everyone hates this word, but starting with more conservative treatments first is the norm throughout healthcare for exactly this reason. We’ve made an exception for transgender people for political reasons, not scientific ones.
No such exception has been made, certainly not for trans kids.
So, that's why the comment has some downvotes. And probably should have more. The comment isn't a differing opinion; it's factually incorrect.
True, I don't know any trans people directly, but i certainly wonder if getting the transition is good for them. If i can't see people discuss both points of view because it's "transphobic", i'm forced to draw my own conclusions.
Just to be 100% clear, I am gay and have had my fair share of biggotry, so i know what it's like. But the fact that i need this disclaimer is concerning to me. I believe that overprotective censorship is responsible for a lot problems we have in 2023. People cannot learn if they cannot ask questions without being told they are evil.
That was pretty much my point. I'm 100% for bodily autonomy and freedom, but when it comes to children can we just take a minute to discuss things like adults without being labeled one thing or another.
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