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I'm from a non-eu Country and I might start working soon in Denmark. My goal would be to eventually naturalize.

I always see people saying that naturalization is hard in Denmark, but what is exactly "hard" about it? In theory, if I meet the residency requirement, have a clean record, and have been employed, I should be fine, right?


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[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago

LEVLFQGP at 2024-03-25 11:57:36+00:00 ID: kwh2agp


I have done it (EØS). I don't think the requirements as such were unreasonable, but it is a very tedious process. Especially the things that were completely out of my control, i.e. the waiting period of more than two years from when you submit your application to finally get citizenship AFTER fulfilling ALL the requirements. Just because of the slow bureaucracy and the fact that citizenship needs to go through parliament. It is such a long wait.

So, in total, it is more 11 - 12 years in the country until you finally can shake the hand of a mayor and get your DK passport.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (2 children)

kHbrj4aTZH at 2024-03-25 11:34:15+00:00 ID: kwgznbo


You need to learn our weird language and pass cultural tests

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german-potatou (OP) at 2024-03-25 11:35:12+00:00 ID: kwgzr1n


9 years should be plenty of time, I think lol

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (3 children)

iamambience at 2024-03-25 19:06:02+00:00 ID: kwj1tsr


the thing is that Danes will fight your attempts by learning Danish by switches to English the second they detect the tiniest accent

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (3 children)

IN-DI-SKU-TA-BELT at 2024-03-25 21:09:37+00:00 ID: kwjo7xr


Because the idea of a conversation is to understand each other, not to be training someones language.

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Rafcdk at 2024-03-26 01:37:48+00:00 ID: kwkwjgb


So fuck people that try to integrate? I got my citizenship 13 years ago, the Danish exam wasn't hard at all, and I always put the effort to learn the language. But people with this mindset make sure to make us feel terrible about ourselves for trying.

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BobsLakehouse at 2024-03-26 05:19:43+00:00 ID: kwlpc0j


Not always. It is also just a rude attittude

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german-potatou (OP) at 2024-03-26 04:59:25+00:00 ID: kwlnd6n


Good thing I don't necessarily look like I speak English, so I could just say I don't know English lolll

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BobsLakehouse at 2024-03-26 05:21:02+00:00 ID: kwlpgg4


Good idea!

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BobsLakehouse at 2024-03-26 05:19:26+00:00 ID: kwlpazw


Some Danes will, the most annoying ones. 

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invisi1407 at 2024-03-25 16:25:57+00:00 ID: kwi85ot


If you actually make an effort to do so, yeah, but I've unfortunately seen first hand how a foreigner said exactly the same and now 7 years later, she still can't hold a meaningful conversation in Danish. :/

If you WANT it, you'll definitely be able to in like 3-5 years, no sweat. Depending on how much time you have available to dedicate to it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 months ago (1 children)

DJGloegg at 2024-03-26 05:17:44+00:00 ID: kwlp56l


I went to school with a chinese guy. He had learned danish in 1 year. BUT he spent a LOT of time practising and socialising.

He also made it clear he wanted to be corrected when he made mistakes

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BobsLakehouse at 2024-03-26 05:18:56+00:00 ID: kwlp9ax


You can do it in a year if you are good.

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Grievuuz at 2024-03-25 21:10:44+00:00 ID: kwlrud3


I'm just gonna leave this here.

I don't know if there was some specific reason it took her that long, but sheesh.

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TechTuna1200 at 2024-03-25 16:32:15+00:00 ID: kwi9auc


and the cultural test is a test that most of us Danes can’t even pass. Sure you have to read up on it, but it’s not knowledge that the average Dane have without reading up on it.

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Slimmund at 2024-03-26 03:39:28+00:00 ID: kwlebt2


The test isn’t/shouldn’t be that hard if you’re Danish. It just takes a basic understanding of our political system and very superficial knowledge of Denmark’s history. Of course, none of this information is available on TicTok, so that could be the problem…

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TechTuna1200 at 2024-03-26 04:37:59+00:00 ID: kwll4yx


Oh most Danes can pass the political questions alright. It’s the nonsense niche historical questions that are barely taught in the Danish education. Hence why most Danes fails the test.

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KosmonautMikeDexter at 2024-03-25 11:53:41+00:00 ID: kwh1u85


There are a couple of things that you need to have in order to become a danish citizen:

You have to have had a job with permanent employment for 4 years in a row

You haven't been on state welfare

You need to be able to prove in writing that you can speak danish - you need an exam

You need a danish adress and a danish CPR-number

You need to have a permanent recidence permit to live in Denmark. That's probably to most important one.

When you get to the end of the line, you have to pass a cultural test and you have to shake hands with a mayor.

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CarobCake at 2024-03-25 12:17:57+00:00 ID: kwh4pfq


There are also these complicated rules about how long you can be away from the country within the time you were a resident (or the last 12 years), which can add to the time you need to wait before applying.

In every year you travel for more than 4 weeks at a time or more than 6 weeks total you need to report that time away (and consider them "interruptions) and add it up, if it adds up more than 365 days you need to not have any more interruptions in the last 3 years before you apply (in addition to adding one year to your total time). But that's the rule now, who knows what it will be in nearly a decade from now...

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german-potatou (OP) at 2024-03-25 13:37:40+00:00 ID: kwhfkda


This one honestly sucks. Could you please provide me with a link to read more on the specifics?

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CarobCake at 2024-03-25 16:01:40+00:00 ID: kwi3t4z


The best place to figure this one out is a fb group called Permanent Residence and Citizenship in Denmark, lots of links to the resources and people telling their experiences, questions and answers, etc. I also think it sucks and am very annoyed to have to worry about it... I'm trying to stay within limits when possible and keep a log, but we'll see how it goes over the years.

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LEVLFQGP at 2024-03-25 17:14:37+00:00 ID: kwihg9f


Here (it's in Danish): https://uim.dk/statsborgerskab/udenlandske-statsborgere/betingelser/ophold/

The specifics are in the PDF that is linked under the "Opholdsafbydelser" (Interruptions of residence) point ( https://uim.dk/media/9263/ophold-i-udlandet.pdf ).

But yes, keep a log.

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Spurlock33 at 2024-03-25 12:11:19+00:00 ID: kwh3wmy


You haven't been on state welfare

When you get to the end of the line, you have to pass a cultural test

Between these, I think a lot of Danes would fail to get naturalized lol

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OrdinaryValuable9705 at 2024-03-25 12:43:57+00:00 ID: kwh80jk


They do. The yearly citizenship test is very common for many danes to fail. Best I have seen is when a bunch of DF politicians took it, and a bit more than half failed it - was amazing.

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Spurlock33 at 2024-03-25 13:44:04+00:00 ID: kwhgjb3


If we expose foreignes to tests like these to get citizenship, we should kinda set the same expectations of current citizens! Like, fail this test and you don't get a passport, the right to vote, etc.

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CountNo4923 at 2024-03-25 13:46:34+00:00 ID: kwhgx3s


or maybe its just a test to see if you can actually care to give a shit about Denmark enough to spend ½ hour reading a pamphlet

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Spurlock33 at 2024-03-25 13:48:26+00:00 ID: kwhh7o7


Then ordinary citizens would have no issue parsing it either? If you don't give a shit, don't get rights.

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CountNo4923 at 2024-03-25 13:50:10+00:00 ID: kwhhhb7


if its about voting rights it should be a proper test, not read a pamphlet and put down 30 x

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Spurlock33 at 2024-03-25 13:59:12+00:00 ID: kwhiwrq


The issue with that kind of process will always be, who gets to decide the questions and how difficult the questions should be.

Though I wouldn't be surprised if most would fail to get most basic questions about our political system right.

I remember the numbers we got presented during the political behavioral classes on PoliSci were fairly depressing when you asked respondent what parties were in goverment, who the current state minister was, etc.

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Tumleren at 2024-03-25 15:28:09+00:00 ID: kwhxtzi


Devils advocate: it's not like they're expected to just know the answers in the test, there's reading material specifically to prepare for it

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OrdinaryValuable9705 at 2024-03-25 15:53:45+00:00 ID: kwi2dpe


A LOT of it is acutally common knowledge or things you learn in 9-10 klasse

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WhatEver069 at 2024-03-25 12:58:35+00:00 ID: kwh9yqj


I've lived in Denmark my entire life, but i'm Dutch- and because i've been out of work due to my mental health, i'll have to wait another 10 years (assuming i dont have a relapse), before i'll be able to start the process. It fucking sucks, i didnt have the money for the process when i turned 18, so now i'll have to wait until i'm atleast 33 🥲

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Icy_Dragonfruit_3513 at 2024-03-25 16:57:00+00:00 ID: kwie8o0


Det er altså på ingen måde svært at bestå den test - folk hører åbenbart ikke efter i skolen eller gider at få sig basal dannelse + man kan læse op på de emner, testen omhandler. Tog den for et par år siden og den var ret nem at gennemføre.

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DrAzkehmm at 2024-03-25 12:00:56+00:00 ID: kwh2ogy


Don’t forget the fact that the rule can change retroactively at any time, and that no one will tell how or when they have changed, so you’ll have to start over.

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KosmonautMikeDexter at 2024-03-25 13:00:32+00:00 ID: kwha8dx


Yes, also that

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Hillgrove at 2024-03-25 18:42:20+00:00 ID: kwixjld


prove in writing that you can speak danish

Yup.. that definitely sounds like a law our politicians would make :)

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KosmonautMikeDexter at 2024-03-25 18:44:52+00:00 ID: kwixzvz


It's called a diploma

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BobsLakehouse at 2024-03-26 05:22:28+00:00 ID: kwlplft


What is meant is that you need to have passed a Danish language course.

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sharia1919 at 2024-03-25 12:15:59+00:00 ID: kwh4gz3


It also depends on what you mean with naturalisation.

If you mean to become a citizen, then yes, you "just" have to meet the requirements.

One problem here is that a lot of the steps take quite a few years to fulfill. Add in bureaucracy waiting time on top of that. Sometimes it takes 6 months or something like that to get your approval of something. There have been multiple examples of long lead times, where people apply in January. The the rules change in April, and when a case worker looks at the case, in June, suddenly you don't meet the rule. Or you need to send an extra document, and then you case goes back at the end of the waiting line. The root cause here is that the politicians has found out that by being borderline racists, they can gain a few extra extreme voters, without pushing away too many moderate voters.

On the more "fluffy" side of naturalising, you need to be integrated in Danish society. This is often difficult, as we Danes typically create our primary social circles in primary school, high school or during further education. This makes it relatively difficult in getting Danish friends, which can be seen as the more fluffy part og being a "proper" Danish citizen.

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Awarglewinkle at 2024-03-25 12:42:19+00:00 ID: kwh7su9


It's not hard or particularly complicated, but it's a long process and it involves ruthless bureaucracy.

Miss a deadline because you lost your internet connection or you got hit by a bus? Too bad, you go back to start.

Fill out a form incorrectly and didn't notice until it was too late? Too bad, you go back to start.

So double and triple check everything and don't wait until the last moment to do something before a deadline.

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LuckyAstronomer4982 at 2024-03-25 16:04:10+00:00 ID: kwi491g


And if you pass all exams and get your name on the bill to be passed through Parliament, and there suddenly is a general election, the bill stops and you have to wait until there is a new government and a new parliamentary year. And then when the bill passes after a year, you have to wait for the handshake, and then you can apply for a passport and wait and pay for it....

And if the rules get changed because of the government or Parliament, you start all over again.

And if you do something against the law, they can take the naturalization from you if you still have old naturalization

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CarobCake at 2024-03-25 16:32:42+00:00 ID: kwi9ee6


Wait, what's that last one? They can take it away?

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CarobCake at 2024-03-25 16:32:34+00:00 ID: kwi9ctt


Wait, what's that last one? They can take it away?

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Eastofeden73 at 2024-03-25 21:59:32+00:00 ID: kwjx22b


Yes, under special circumstances they can. E.g.if you’re convicted of terror crimes and has kept your old citizenship of if you have received the Danish citizenship by deceiving the Danish authorities.

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CarobCake at 2024-03-25 22:05:05+00:00 ID: kwjy0kj


Ah phew. Thought it might encompass crimes like crossing the street when the pedestrian light is red or something.

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Eastofeden73 at 2024-03-25 22:15:31+00:00 ID: kwjzsgx


No, but who knows where it might end?

In the beginning I seem to recall it was only when it was obtained by fraud or if you were convicted of terror crimes.

But I just read in the papers, that some young men was convicted for attempted murder and received sentences around 12-14 years of prison and apparently the district attourney wanted them to loose their Danish citizenship too, but the court didn’t take it from them.

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CarobCake at 2024-03-25 16:32:34+00:00 ID: kwi9d80


Wait, what's that last one? They can take it away?

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Icy_Dragonfruit_3513 at 2024-03-25 16:54:56+00:00 ID: kwidv2y


Word of advice - try to get as many Danish friends as possible. Make them speak Danish to you as soon as you're at a level where you can hold a conversation (will take a while, but definitely doable if you hang in there). Literally force them to speak to you in Danish - too many Danes think it's 'polite' or 'considerate' to speak English back to any foreigner who speaks Danish to them (it's not and all foreigners I know who speak Danish hate it with a burning passion).

Maybe get a Danish language partner who's studying whatever language is your native tongue (unless it's English, then probably no one is interested since everyone speaks it already) and do regular language exchanges.

Get familiar with the culture and don't stay in a little expat bubble - lot of expats do this and they never really get more than surface level into Danish culture and society.

You need to pass a cultural test, but it's not hard if you bother to study for it (and you will get resources for this). Don't pay attention to people who complain about it - it contains stuff that you should know if you want to settle here in the long term.

Finances: if you have a regular job that pays well enough that you can get a residency permit as a non-EU citizen, you should be fine if in the long term you want to apply for citizenship. Just be aware about the rules for not receiving social benefits - that can be tricky if you lose your job while in Denmark.

Housing: tricky for foreigners as it can be harder to find cheaper/reasonably priced accommodation - at least in Copenhagen, because of lack of network that can help you. Can get easier the longer you stay, or you might need to buy a place after a while (be aware for non-citizens real-estate loans are pricier).

The 'hard' parts are: language (pronounciation is tricky and can take a long while to master - but every Dane will be impressed as long as you can speak well enough that they can understand you) and making friends with natives. Danes aren't unfriendly, just reserved and it can be hard for an adult to make new friends, especially among northern Europeans. You will need to make an extra effort.

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BobsLakehouse at 2024-03-26 05:18:23+00:00 ID: kwlp7f1


It just takes time. And you need to be proficient in Danish, but should be that anyway.

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