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[โ€“] [email protected] 41 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I grew up in the era where open-source was just starting out and creators were giving ๐Ÿ–• to big tech and naming their products wacky names.

This reminds me of that era.

[โ€“] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Suyu, a fork of the Yuzu emulator which was taken down by Nintendo, is an excellent example.

[โ€“] [email protected] 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Nintendo are fucking clowns and so are JP IP laws. Fuck 'em both.

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

You mean the one that was just recently...taken down?

Yeah, didn't last as long as I'd hoped it would.

[โ€“] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Only the repo on GitLab was taken down, in response, they just created their own Forgejo instance. They also have their own website: https://suyu.dev/

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[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Only the gitlab project was taken down. They moved.

[โ€“] [email protected] 39 points 10 months ago (5 children)

What else does it apart from rebranding firefox and getting ad revenue?

[โ€“] [email protected] 57 points 10 months ago (4 children)

It has a few privacy features, some themes, some other stuff. Nothing significant. It kinda became popular lately, and some people started using it. But now it's proprietary, so I wouldn't use it anymore. LibreWolf is much better and open source.

[โ€“] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago (3 children)

It also has double sidebars so I can put tabs in one of them instead of the top of the screen and hide the titlebar without having to modify userchrome.css. That's one thing I missed from Vivaldi when I moved to Firefox.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Are there any benefits to using LibreWolf if I'm alrrady using Arkenfox?

[โ€“] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago

Not really, I just find LibreWolf much easier to install. I don't want to mess around with downloading and copying Firefox profiles every time.

[โ€“] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Or Mullvad Browser. I really like that browser too.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I believe the main thing people liked about Floorp is tab grouping and vertical tab layout ร  la Vivaldi, and a more modern and slim design out of the box, while keeping a firefox core instead of being another chromium based browser.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

This. I use floorp for work and Firefox for personal stuff.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Welp, the message you've cross-posted was since edited to include

Edit: They claim they will make that part open source too, eventually, and it is due to behavior of another browser: https://github.com/Floorp-Projects/Floorp-core/issues/62

[โ€“] pastermil 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Can somebody elaborate on this? How could somebody stealing their code be a problem?

[โ€“] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Not sure about this particular case as the author didn't elaborate, but sometimes suckers sell binaries. Also, they've mentioned assets that may be non-commercial or require naming the original author which some forks may choose to ignore.

Anyways, I personally don't use floorp, so you better ask their devs or community.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

It appears they just did, as of a few minutes ago while I was looking into it

Here is the now open private components repo under the CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 license
And I forked it just to be sure

[โ€“] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago (8 children)

Ah for fucks sake, I really liked this browser.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago

My dog loves floorp. He does it whenever he gets excited to meet someone new.

[โ€“] priapus 20 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

The creator of Floorp posted a reponse to this: https://blog.ablaze.one/4125/2024-03-11/

TLDR posted by the creator: creator:

To put it simply, the current Floorp, including forks, will end the moment I stop maintaining it, so to prevent that from happening, I have prohibited forks. The idea is to solve the user's concern about code transparency by tightening the license when returning to open source, and to create a sustainable Floorp by giving them the choice of paying money or helping with the coding.

Unfortunately a lot of this seems in reponse to Midori, a seemingly hostile fork with a pretty suspcious website.

[โ€“] [email protected] 32 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Unfortunately a lot of this seems in reponse to Midori, a seemingly hostile fork with a pretty suspcious website.

To some people all forks are hostile. This appears to be such a case. He just seems to be sour over people exercising the same freedoms he got from Mozilla upstream. Rules for thee but not for me. The free software community doesn't need his obscure fork.

[โ€“] priapus 9 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I disagree in this case. The majority of Firefox forks make it clear they're a fork, giving credit to Mozilla. Midori seems to hide that they're a fork while adding very little to the browser. Their website also takes donations while having a fake phone number and broken contact button. Hard not to see that as suspicious.

Edit: the dev was also completely ok with Firedragon switching to their codebase because they did so resepectfully.

I still disagree with what the dev did, but I get the struggle.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

I agree that the Midori website is suspicious however their repo properly credits Firefox and Floorp in the very first sentence of the readme (however they don't actually link to this repo for some reason). In any case, my intent isn't to defend Midori (which I don't use or have any interest in) but rather to defend the four freedoms none of which are conditional on how much a fork adds or contributes back. In other words, it's perfectly ok to just fork something and change the name.

I still maintain it's ironic that a fork developer is complaining about forks of his fork. This statement is baffling but I suppose it comes from a proprietary mindset where copying is theft:

If these are forked, my hundreds of hours will have been wasted.

By this logic the decades of development time on Firefox is wasted because of this guy's fork.

[โ€“] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They just open sourced the private repository 7 minutes ago, 2024-03-24T12:39Z

[โ€“] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's great. I edited the post title.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Can you edit the post to say why it is outdated? I was confused seeing the title.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

just installed few week ago and now this.

[โ€“] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Same here. this is upsetting :/ Back to firefox I guess

[โ€“] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

floorp makes me think of the old social web browser, flock which is giving me mega nostalgia.

[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (6 children)

The "open sourced" private components repo is under a fauxpen source (non-commercial) license. Floorp is still proprietary.

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[โ€“] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

I kinda like the name, actually.

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