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Edit - This is a post to the meta group of Blåhaj Lemmy. It is not intended for the entire lemmyverse. If you are not on Blåhaj Lemmy and plan on dropping in to offer your opinion on how we are doing things in a way you don't agree with, your post will be removed.

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A user on our instance reported a post on lemmynsfw as CSAM. Upon seeing the post, I looked at the community it was part of, and immediately purged all traces of that community from our instance.

I approached the admins of lemmynsfw and they assured me that the models with content in the community were all verified as being over 18. The fact that the community is explicitly focused on making the models appear as if they're not 18 was fine with them. The fact that both myself and one a member of this instance assumed it was CSAM, was fine with them. I was in fact told that I was body shaming.

I'm sorry for the lack of warning, but a community skirting the line trying to look like CSAM isn't a line I'm willing to walk. I have defederated lemmynsfw and won't be reinstating it whilst that community is active.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago

Thank you thank you thank you thank you. Especially with the type of folks that choose blahaj for their lemmy server, I think it’s completely appropriate to err on the side of caution to avoid MAYBE being associated with that stuff. It affirms that when I chose an instance that I’ve made the right call.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (9 children)

What even was the community, I dont see any focused on CSAM, or appearing as it. Was it small breasts?

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

To me the community in question seems to be intended to be about cute/happy/wholesome nsfw content but I can see how that idea could be twisted by pedophiles who fetishize "innocence". But no matter what the intended nature of that community, lemmynsfw is host to a few other extremely awful communities, like one for posting pictures of people you know without their knowledge/consent, and it seems like the admins are either not interested or not able to moderate all of it.

Plus the federated timeline sorted by new is just clogged with bots on lemmynsfw spamming images from reddit

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago

Thanks Ada ❤️, good to know that those sorts of things are kept off blåhaj!

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Hi, I’m not from your instance but I applaud this move.

Could you share the info with admins of other instances so they can potentially choose the same action?

I’ve been reporting their cartoon csam that they keep posting, but I guess if the admins are into that shit our reports won’t make a difference. Would dearly love to not have to spend half my day blocking shit, and any reminder to these pervs that their affinity for sexual abuse is not normal is a good thing.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Good choice and thank you.

Editing to add, I read the post addressing this on the other instance, and the message screenshots between Ada and the nsfw admins, and the nsfw admin's ignorance sure looks willful to me. They're defending an nsfw community that had "child-like" as one of the adjectives they emphasize in the sidebar until after this defederation took place. Not acceptable.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I don't have an issue with the defederation call, and transparency regarding decisions around defederation is very healthy and good!

However, one of the more complicated implications of Lemmy's federated structure is that defederation on instances is more of "everybody's business" than it is on Mastodon, since Lemmy instances host communities and not just users. I don't have much sympathy for free speech absolutists who feel the need to frame all defederation as "censorship" or some of form of tyranny, but since it is potentially splitting the user bases of communities on blahaj that folks on other instances have joined, it makes sense for folks on other instances to want their voices to be heard.

(Obviously, there are constructive and non-constructive ways to do that.)

This is also why the answer to everything won't be "just run your own instance." It's important that more instances have well-developed and transparent moderation standards both internally and externally, and users will need to be savvy about the moderation landscape when they choose what instances to start communities on. (This will be a little less loaded of a question if/when Lemmy gets the ability to migrate communities.)

I think there's a lot of "cross that bridge when we come to it" mindset amongst some of the bigger instance admins that is in the long run is much more detrimental than any one defederation call could be.

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