Well, shit. Unfortunate news from the Vinegar Discord: Roblox will block Wine in future releases.
This is going to end my "Steam Deck as a primary desktop PC for my kid" experiment.
And nothing of value was lost
this post was submitted on 27 Feb 2024
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It's an extremely popular platform for kids, and I think anything that will get kids trying Linux instead of windows is something we should want working.
Some people just hate fun, it seems.
Roblox kids are future Linux admins, anyway. May as well let them get started under Wine.
How do you even block wine? It's a compatibility layer? Even if you block it someone will just add a fix to get around it eventually won't they?
I do not know, but the Vinegar people give it straight:
Also last time around Wine support was broken for like 6 months and no one found a workaround. It was Roblox devs who re-enabled it later.
Why does that post sound like: "Fuck off! ...and do it nicely without causing a fuss...please.
Because it is. They are telling paying customers to get stuffed. I was planning on putting Linux on my daughter's PC but with this she will never let me. Only computer left in the house with Windows on it. :(
Just in case there is any misconception: this particular post does not emanate from anyone at Roblox. This is the Vinegar team closing shop and giving context. Vinegar was an open source project which made it easy to run Roblox on Linux.
Roblox Corporation is the one telling a (likely very small) portion of their paying userbase to fuck off.
Why block Wine? It's gotta be a tiny fraction of their user base.
There's a gamingonlinux article which might explain a bit.
Very roughly, a few alterations to the anticheat to make it work on Wine made some of the anticheat's workings apparent, which in turn allowed people to work out new exploits.
Wine is an excellent tool for reverse engineering. Additionally, we had to disable many antitamper checks to make Hyperion run on Wine. This has allowed interested parties to learn a lot about the internal workings of Hyperion, relevant to both Win32 and UWP. As the initial shock of Hyperion’s release started wearing off, many people have begun discovering the various angles through which one can learn more about the inner workings of Hyperion.
As to why all the anticheat stuff matters so much, I'm not quite sure.
As to why all the anticheat stuff matters so much, I'm not quite sure.
it's probably not about anti-cheat but something with collecting data which is probably easier when you install a rootkit
2 big reasons I've seen.
First is idiot csuite/suits at the top who think linux = haxxing and they somehow lose business by supporting them.
Second is kind of true, that people have trouble running on linux and go to official forums asking for help, or leave negative reviews that they couldn't get it to work, which isn't fair to the developer.
Wasn't it unofficial support? The kind of "at your own risk" stuff linux users get from everywhere.
This is going to end my “Steam Deck as a primary desktop PC for my kid” experiment.
dual booting windows is always an option...