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Biden campaign blames Trump for Alabama Supreme Court's IVF ruling (www.nbcnews.com)

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 10 months ago (2 children)

State courts are a symptom of the problem that allowed Trump. Trump did not create these troglodytes and he has neither the attention span or ability to directly influence state governments. The disease is deeper than Trump.

[–] xmunk 19 points 10 months ago

Trump gave these troglodytes the courage to be openly awful - he normalized it, he's responsible. I agree that he's not responsible by direct action but we wouldn't be here if not for Trump.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

The current situation is dogshit. But let's not gloss over the fact that President Obama had a chance to fill Scalia's seat and he capitulated with the assumption that Clinton would win.

Do not take anything for granted. Everyone must vote.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

Democrats could have codified Roe. The filibuster was more important.

Sure, Alabama is now legislating absurdity so that they may commit atrocities, but the holy relic that is the Jim Crow Filibuster is still here, so we can keep using it as an excuse when we break campaign promises.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

President Joe Biden’s re-election campaign on Thursday blamed former President Donald Trump for the Alabama Supreme Court’s recent decision on in vitro fertilization and the subsequent decision by the University of Alabama at Birmingham to pause IVF treatment in response to the ruling.

“What is happening in Alabama right now is only possible because Donald Trump’s Supreme Court justices overturned Roe v. Wade,” Biden campaign manager Julie Chavez Rodriguez said in a statement.

“With their latest attack on reproductive freedom, these so-called pro-life Republicans are preventing loving couples from growing their families,” she added.

The University of Alabama at Birmingham announced Wednesday that it would stop IVF treatments in light of the high court’s ruling, citing possible legal repercussions as a result of the decision.

“This decision is outrageous—and it is already robbing women of the freedom to decide when and how to build a family,” Harris said in a post to X, formerly known as Twitter, on Wednesday.

Haley, however, later backpedaled, saying that her personal position is that embryos are babies while claiming she didn’t say she agreed with the Alabama Supreme Court ruling.

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[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago

Why are these old mfers always squinting. Trump loved to do it too, it looks ridiculous

[+] [email protected] -28 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

could he do an executive order? are his hands fully tied?

when democrats fail they blame republicans but when the republicans fail they blame the democrats

not surprising a Catholic not only let this happen on their watch but also has not done anything except to try raise funds over abortion rights for his reelection

starting to seem like a team effort

[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago (1 children)

You have major misconceptions about how the government works and instead of being self-aware and saying "hmm, maybe the situation is more complex than I understand", you point your anger outward at those actually doing things day-to-day to combat this? It's just sad.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I can't believe this is your rebuttal. All they said was

Are his hands fully tied

And I can assure you they are not. You reply with all this legal mumbo jumbo but I saw him coming out of air force one the other day and both hands were completely free. This man's hands aren't tied

Maybe you should be asking yourself why these free hands aren't being used to liberate those embryo's instead of making a fool of yourself on lemmy

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

...I genuinely can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not. Either way, that's pretty funny.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago

[+] Tremble -9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Obama / Biden did nothing when they had filibuster proof senate and the house.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They didn't "do nothing". They passed a lot of major legislation, including the ACA. The supermajority lasted for 72 days. How much competent legislation do you expect to be passed in 72 days?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Legislation to codify Roe has been drafted and ready to go for decades. This could have been over and done with in a day.

Dems rolled the dice on not doing it, because they wanted to use it to fear monger and continue to fundraise. Well, now this has completely backfired and women have lost their right to bodily autonomy as a result.

So yeah, they intentionally fucked around by doing nothing, and now they’re finding out about consequences for their inaction. If you’re mad about it, demand better representation instead of providing cover for shitlibs.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Right, so you wanted them to use a valuable chunk of time codifying a right that was not being actively threatened at that time, instead of focusing on the more immediate needs of their constituents? They would have been lambasted for playing politics instead of doing their jobs. Hell, if Ginsberg would have stepped down, we'd still have enshrined repro rights. If the Justice/McConnell situation played out different, we'd still have enshrined repro rights. Hindsight is 20/20, but nobody was focusing on abortion the way they are now, and there were multiple points of failure to get us to the point of it being threatened.

Frankly, it's clear to me that you have very little idea of how the civic process works. I know this won't get through, but I'll stress it anyway: making these big forceful statements while not understanding the process and context of what you're complaining about makes you contribute to the mental degeneration that is eroding our politics. You should feel ashamed, honestly. You're not approaching conversations with any amount of self-critique or awareness, and it really shows.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Had me in the first half, not gonna lie.

You make very valid points but the personal attacks are diminishing. Argue against the topic, not the person.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

You're right. I'm not immune to getting frustrated, and I did get carried away there. My central points still stand, but I'll try to keep my head on straight. Thanks for the reminder.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

You’re claiming women’s reproductive rights weren’t being actively threatened in 2008, and that I should feel ashamed for my lack of civic knowledge because of this?! Wow, talk about not having a single clue. This has been a central driving force of republican strategy since the southern strategy became a thing. In case you are not aware - that significantly predates the 2008 election.

Obama got elected on promises of hope and change - that for the first time in decades Americans might have real representation in Washington and advance some of our progressive social agendas. This absolutely included reproductive rights. Dems got elected into a supermajority with a mandate to do better, and all we got was the shoveling of 30mil Americans into the pockets of private insurance companies due to RomneyCare getting passed without the public option, aka Obamacare. Do you know who immediately conceded the public option with glee, before negotiations had even begun, in order to bring about “bipartisan compromise” with his esteemed republican colleagues on their own healthcare plan? Biden.

Then, right after Obama got into office, he left women out to dry.

Roe should have been codified long ago. Despite that, 2008 was a perfect opportunity and Dems blew it. You can catch feelings over that all you want, but these are the actual facts.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

I'm not so much arguing that you should feel ashamed for thinking women's rights aren't under attack, as much as your lack of knowledge on the political process. I think that misinterpretation is another example of your inability to actually understand and converse on these topics. That aside, I'm also not arguing that women's rights aren't under attack. Of course they are, and likely will be for all time. That's much different than saying that reproductive rights were not under immediate threat in the supermajority timeframe and there were higher priorities given that lower level of risk. That's a nuanced statement. Congress had 72 days of a democratic supermajority, a very small period of time for legislative action, and there were multiple ideological factions within the party that prevented the progressive dream plan. That's also a nuanced, factual statement.

You can want, want, want all you like. Put up or shut up. Dems gave my partner healthcare, gave us the right to marry, gave me the ability to vote by mail. Democrats on the court gave me reproductive rights for decades before Republicans stripped it away. Real, tangible wins for me, my family, my neighbors. The left, for all its ideals that I very much do share, has given me nothing but the vestiges of what they accomplished a century ago and a metric ton of words and ideas. Here you sit, complaining about Dems not doing enough when you haven't gotten a single gd thing done. And can't even be intellectually honest at that. Democrats might fail a lot, but they win a lot too. List your wins.

[–] Tremble 0 points 10 months ago

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