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[–] [email protected] 41 points 6 months ago (3 children)

The US was the only country to vote against the draft text while the United Kingdom abstained. The UN Security Council’s 13 other member countries voted in favour of the text demanding a halt to the war that has killed more than 29,000 people in Gaza, according to Palestinian authorities, and displaced more than 80 percent of the population

It's stuff like this that makes me realize we're the evil empire from Star Wars. The Security Council needs a reworking away from vetos.

[–] TacoButtPlug 26 points 6 months ago

I grew up hearing the Middle East call the US "The Great Satan". When I was a kid I thought it was a bit much. As an adult, I totally understand.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I veto you proposal. Moving on. (/s, obviously)

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Removing the veto power from SC, however good it sounds, would immediately see US, UK and possibly entire EU and other US vassals quitting UN.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Seems kind of redundant to have a UN council with over 13 members that can’t do anything if 1 member doesn’t like it. It seems that the other members are ‘united’ so the US should eat sand.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 6 months ago (1 children)

There should be an override mechanism. It could be super narrow, so like “All non-veto-holding members must unanimously agree to override the veto, and the override must then be sustained by a general assembly vote of 3/4”

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 months ago

The US will threaten the non-veto holding members

[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 months ago (1 children)

It's be nice if the leader of America wasnt a genocide enabler, but apparently that's too much to ask in 2024

Hopefully in 2028 we get a better option.

But realistically republicans will keep getting crazier. They might even run trump again, even if he's in jail.

Which means people will rationalize even lower standards for Dems. Maybe the DNC will just say fuck it and run Nancy Pelosi.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 6 months ago (1 children)

Honestly wouldn't be surprised if the GOP still tries to run Trump even after he's dead.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago

Weekend at Orangies

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 months ago (2 children)

Please for the love of God just over ride the US. I live here and I'm getting tired of seeing how my country is hindering things and preventing consequences for people who deserve it. Yes, I know my country has done horrible things throughout its history, but that doesn't mean we can't start doing the right thing though. Also yes, I know this is ridiculously optimistic/naive sounding.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 months ago (1 children)

@Holyginz I don't think you realize what you're asking. If the UN tries to override the US that means using force to stop Israel - which means having a war against the US and Israel.

The US has a law authorizing it to invade Europe if the ICC ever tries to prosecute an American war criminal.

The Security Council is about wars/security. This is why all the permanent members/major powers have veto. It's a forum for dialogue.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I wonder why the US and Israel are not members of the ICC. /s

Funnily enough family members of the hostages held in Gaza flew to the Hague to press ICC to investigate Hamas, source: https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/israeli-victims-oct-7-press-icc-investigate-hamas-2024-02-14/. Which in my books is quite hypocritical, considering that Israel itself doesn't honour the ICC rulings.

And the whole fact that the US withdrew their signature speaks a ton of their sense of impunity and being above international law.

Laws for thee but not for me.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 6 months ago

Every day America continues this war, we show how much more violent and weak we are than China.