Moerkskog at 2024-02-13 11:21:02+00:00 ID: kq7vw9z
Overcomplicating. Just lie next time. Other things to lie about: kids, wanting to have kids, any thing that can take time out of work etc.
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IAmNotJohnHS at 2024-02-13 11:42:44+00:00 ID: kq7xv21
What a wise choice of the company not picking you. Imagine wanting to sue them for asking a question. God you sound terrible for a workplace environment.
Successful_Scar_3364 at 2024-02-13 11:14:19+00:00 ID: kq7vb6c
I don’t see what the problem is? Care to explain?
JollyForce9237 at 2024-02-13 11:58:45+00:00 ID: kq7zeve
That depends, I was asked about my homelife and support in connection with applying for a job that requires an international rotation of 6 months. To ensure that it was feasible for me to go and what kind of support I would need.
Creative-Skill-7212 at 2024-02-13 12:06:00+00:00 ID: kq804xe
Are you a hooker?
Gobomania at 2024-02-13 12:07:20+00:00 ID: kq809rn
I am more concern what kind of profession you are working as if that is a question to be asked.
silv1377 at 2024-02-13 11:01:00+00:00 ID: kq7u6j6
I work as a waiter and personal life inbalances always come across due to the difficult hours.
Not having an understanding partner leads to discussions and anger and people eager to go home to partners again and just timing in/out without having to think about the quality of the service and what they leave behind at work for the next shift to pick up.
Most people quit 10 years in even though they studied 3,5 years, just because the family life is not quite compatible with the job. Or as men they end up divorced.
I don't know what your job application was for but this is my example in my field of how it makes sense.
Every employer wants a fixed team and not train new people in every 6 months or so, so it matters for the employer that you fit in the group and adhere to the group in stead of only having your mind at home due to the pressure that's being put on you. You getting offended by this shows you being closed and unwilling to have a "hyygelig" time with your colleagues.
just_anotjer_anon at 2024-02-13 11:30:04+00:00 ID: kq7wpfn
There's a higher risk this is the way the company filters young professionals out of they're in risk of becoming pregnant in the near future.
That's why most of the comments agree this is a stupidly weird question, that opens the company up for potential discrimination laws
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Mortonwallmachine at 2024-02-13 10:26:53+00:00 ID: kq7re0c
So you didnt get the job and now want to go after them because they rejected you?
ramsu (OP) at 2024-02-13 10:34:25+00:00 ID: kq7s041
No. Asking about relationship status is a "protected" thing in Finland (1, 2, you can google translate them). Employer cannot, under any circumstances, ask if a prospective employee is married, in a relationship or single. This is basis for discrimination, especially for women as they could try to gauge if they are becoming pregnant etc.
The reason why I ask is because we have so many similarities with other Nordic countries in regards to employment law. So I wanted to know if the same applies to Denmark. There is no need to be a bootlicker to a multinational, non-Danish company.
YossarianWasntWrong at 2024-02-13 10:53:30+00:00 ID: kq7tkbu
Its normal here... Why would you want a job that isn't compatible with your partner/family?
They are just doing their job, by making sure that you will fit the job, and won't quit in a few months... (hiring the wrong candidate can easily end up costing the company 3-600.000dkk, in hiring, salery, training, benefits etc.)
ThereIsAThingForThat at 2024-02-13 11:15:44+00:00 ID: kq7vflo
The reason why it's often illegal is because it can easily lead to discrimination.
E.g. a woman in her 20s might be less likely to get a job if she's in a long term relationship due to the "risk" of pregnancy.
asgerkhan at 2024-02-13 10:46:56+00:00 ID: kq7t0zq
No. Asking about relationship status is a "protected" thing in Finland (1, 2, you can google translate them). Employer cannot, under any circumstances, ask if a prospective employee is married, in a relationship or single. This is basis for discrimination, especially for women as they could try to gauge if they are becoming pregnant etc.
This is not Finland. There are no "banned" questions, but there are thing that companys are not allowed to factor in when choosing who to hire. Sexuality is one of those things, but based on the question and the compays respons I doub't you have a case.
If you want to waste your time and pursue this, then Ligebehandlingsnævnet would be your next step.
hlau at 2024-02-13 11:06:39+00:00 ID: kq7uns0
But, asking questions about things that you are not allowed to factor in when making the decision will expose your company to legal risks, so it is really, really stupid to ask them.
Minutes-Storm at 2024-02-13 11:28:21+00:00 ID: kq7wjt5
You're opening yourself up to a case if you ask if there are plans for children, they say yes, and you end up not hiring that candidate. I've heard of multiple of these cases, and they often end in a payout, because it's often a slam dunk if you have this stuff in writing, and there aren't unique circumstances involved.
The problem is that the company has to somehow prove it didn't factor into the decision, and good luck with that. Most companies simply do not have an evaluation on each application specific enough to prove that, so without anything obvious like "this senior managers kid lost his job and got offered that position", or just a ridiculous difference in experience and education, you often don't have a lot of ways out of it. That's why most competent HR departments will strongly discourage this line of questioning.
TheGunde at 2024-02-13 10:50:12+00:00 ID: kq7tajm
That's wasting more than OP's time, it's wasting other's time when nothing was done wrong.
just_anotjer_anon at 2024-02-13 11:26:36+00:00 ID: kq7we9g
Except for the fact that this question can be literally linked to pregnancy, which they're not allowed to factor in
So either this question did nothing or op was discriminated against due to being in a relationship and therefore being in risk of becoming pregnant from the outlook of the company
Meera_dk at 2024-02-13 12:43:54+00:00 ID: kq849j2
A couple of decades ago it was not illegal for parents to hit their kids. It might not be illegal at this point of time, but that does not make it “right” to ask a question which might be discriminating towards a gender or an age-group. Denmark is still lacking when it comes to gender-equality compared to our neighboring countries.
We need to question ourselves why it’s illegal to ask such personal question in other Nordic countries and not in Denmark.
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ThereIsAThingForThat at 2024-02-13 10:31:10+00:00 ID: kq7rqij
Generally it is legal to ask questions about private affairs like relationships in Denmark, there are just a bunch of things you cannot include in your decision making.
If you feel you have been illegally discriminated against, you would have to go to Ligebehandlingsnævnet but you probably won't win.
ramsu (OP) at 2024-02-13 10:50:45+00:00 ID: kq7tc66
Thanks! You provided me with the info I needed. While I will not get any restitution, I'd still like to know the legalities relating to this as I am not from Denmark, and this is not a legal question in Finland.
tarmburet at 2024-02-13 11:19:33+00:00 ID: kq7vrju
It’s legal but yeah it can be a red flag to be honest, especially if you’re a woman or man without kids between the age of 26-35.
If they ask you to tell them something about yourself that’s alright, but if they ask if you have a partner that’s an instant red flag in my book.
proevligeathoerher at 2024-02-13 12:13:38+00:00 ID: kq80x7y
Yeah, I used to get that question all the time as a woman when I was mid-20s and searching for a job after university. It's a way for them to get around the ban on asking people about whether or not they plan to have children and so on, imo.
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ilongatedmorsk at 2024-02-13 10:40:41+00:00 ID: kq7sit1
Watch out for the comments, danes love to do bootlicking for companies 🤣 I would ask another place than Reddit for legal advice..
KindlyInvestigator42 at 2024-02-13 11:18:48+00:00 ID: kq7vp6c
Rly how so?
Danish workers is some of the workers in the World, with the best conditions, if we where bootlickers, we would just accept anything, and it would be like 3rd world countries or USA.
ilongatedmorsk at 2024-02-13 11:30:58+00:00 ID: kq7wse8
Yes because of our past with unions, a strong working class etc. our rights are being slowly taken away from us everyday, yet danish people are unwilling to go protest / have an organised working class.
That’s not to say that there’s no progressive movements for the working class, but you will probably not find it on Reddit, especially this subreddit being notorious right wing
KindlyInvestigator42 at 2024-02-13 11:36:59+00:00 ID: kq7xc13
First of, this subreddit is left Wing dominated.
Which working rights has slowly Been taken away, looking over the past say 20years ?
ilongatedmorsk at 2024-02-13 11:39:14+00:00 ID: kq7xji8
Left wing ? 🤣🤣maybe if you think radikale venstre are a left wing party.
KindlyInvestigator42 at 2024-02-13 11:40:55+00:00 ID: kq7xp1i
Make a pool, and let people vote, it wil most likely be left Wing.
When i did it up to the election, it was left Wing, looking at comment around the subreddit, it still looks left winged.
But enough with that, you Said we where slowly losing our rights, which working rights have we been losing the past 20 years?
ilongatedmorsk at 2024-02-13 11:46:46+00:00 ID: kq7y8sw
You can look up class analysis of modern Denmark pretty easily
ilongatedmorsk at 2024-02-13 11:43:46+00:00 ID: kq7xyj6
A lot of people are confused what the left is. Can’t really blame them from what we are thought in school
KindlyInvestigator42 at 2024-02-13 11:44:37+00:00 ID: kq7y1fb
Imma try again, what working rights have we been losing the past 20 years?
ilongatedmorsk at 2024-02-13 11:45:45+00:00 ID: kq7y5bx
Try and do some research. I don’t want to sit and explain basic principles and economics. Too much time for me 🤣
KindlyInvestigator42 at 2024-02-13 11:47:24+00:00 ID: kq7yayi
You made the claim, the least you can do is defend it.
Just saying “do some research” to everything is childish, it is like listening to a flateather
ilongatedmorsk at 2024-02-13 11:40:32+00:00 ID: kq7xnth
I think you are missing basic understanding for left wing politics and the working class’ fight. I suggest doing some research
AntagonizedDane at 2024-02-13 10:48:14+00:00 ID: kq7t4oj
What in the blueberry fuckmuffin did I just read?
VoldsomVulva at 2024-02-13 10:38:15+00:00 ID: kq7sbju
It's perfectly fine and legal to ask questions about an applications relationship status.
Cool down tiger.
Due-Seaweed7811 at 2024-02-13 10:46:52+00:00 ID: kq7t0r7
It's a weird question and I'm sure you dodged a bullet with that company.
A counter question should be, "why? Is the management here so bad that, support from my private life is necessary?"
SigerDanJMensHan at 2024-02-13 11:52:26+00:00 ID: kq7ysp6
It kind of depends on the job. I work as a consultant with a fair amount of travel. It would be fair to ask if they had discussed it with their family, if hiring for such a job.
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just_anotjer_anon at 2024-02-13 11:21:06+00:00 ID: kq7vwj4
It's not just a question to try and figure out if a (I assume) young ish fertile human might clock out on maternity soon?
Which would be Hella illegal to include in their decision making, but sounds like a way to hide this indirectly
Due-Seaweed7811 at 2024-02-13 11:37:32+00:00 ID: kq7xdxm
Possibly. I wouldn't be surprised.
aaseandersen at 2024-02-13 10:40:57+00:00 ID: kq7sjjq
Not grounds for a lawsuit, or even complaint.
So I also have the company admitting it in writing. I was not "chosen to go forward with" them.
Not sure what your point here is. Admitting what? That they asked about your relationship? That's not illegal.
I think you're majorly overreacting due to bitterness over not getting the job. Put your energy into the next job instead. Applying for jobs sucks. It just does.
tarmburet at 2024-02-13 11:24:43+00:00 ID: kq7w84p
I’ve heard a former employer say he prefers new hires to already have their first kid if they hire someone between 25-35. Cause they don’t want to bother with maternity leave.
Asking what someone’s private life setup is, to make sure the employee has “support and stress resistance” from work is super weird. It’s not about OP wanting to sue, it’s a healthy question. You don’t want to work at a toxic workplace.
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Meera_dk at 2024-02-13 12:47:28+00:00 ID: kq84ojz
Or maybe OP is reacting appropriately. You need to be the discriminated part to feel any injustice.
If they are asking personal questions to avoid employing women/men who want children in the near future, then it is discriminating.
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rasm3000 at 2024-02-13 10:34:57+00:00 ID: kq7s1pb
I have been asked similar questions in several job interviews, both in Denmark and abroad. In Denmark I have been asked at interviews both for jobs in private and public sector. If it's legal or not, I do not know, but from a potential employers perspective, I can understand why they ask such a question.
OtteLoc at 2024-02-13 10:37:19+00:00 ID: kq7s8sh
Yes it's very legal.
Nisd at 2024-02-13 10:43:05+00:00 ID: kq7sps3
I would expect it to be fair game, and the information I can find does not indicate otherwise.
kHbrj4aTZH at 2024-02-13 10:50:36+00:00 ID: kq7tbpa
Irregardless of legality it's a red flag. How bad is this job that it needs stress resistance?
Mediocre_Internet939 at 2024-02-13 11:01:47+00:00 ID: kq7u8z7
It is normal to ask questions of this nature. During our hiring process (as part of the personality test) we screen for stress resistance indicators, such as how often you exercise, how you view yourself and your way of working, your thoughts on work-life balance and so on.
tarmburet at 2024-02-13 11:27:49+00:00 ID: kq7wi6k
Aaaaaand you can’t see the red flags in that?
mandelmanden at 2024-02-13 11:40:37+00:00 ID: kq7xo2w
Nothing like hiring a bloated, diabetic stress magnet.
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