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Teddylina at 2024-02-12 17:20:41+00:00 ID: kq5lic2
Denmark is in desperate need of more IT professionals. The bigger cities have more jobs to choose from. Remember to join a union (fagforening) when you get here so they can help negotiate your salary and protect you in case your boss is an asshole. Welcome here and if you need anything else just ask.
Mortonwallmachine at 2024-02-12 11:06:34+00:00 ID: kq2g7am
Shouldent matter that you are a transgender person. The hard part will find the right job and visa, no matter your status. Denmark has so many applicants from all over the world for that kind of jobs and most are very qualified, so its tough to find a spot and a company that wants to deal with the hassle of helping you get a visa. Your biggest issue is getting the visa.
Do you have a masters in a relevant field?
How many years experience do you have as a software engineer or Cloud Architect?
If you are very experienced and educated you should just start looking, it should be possible for you to find something, there are many companies where you can get by with just english
LoreZyra (OP) at 2024-02-12 14:12:19+00:00 ID: kq30fh9
Writing software professionally for over 20 years and managing cloud environments (AWS) for the past decade. Been an engineering manager and now Cloud Architect.
thetireditguy at 2024-02-12 11:44:00+00:00 ID: kq2jix9
As others mentioned, your big issue will be getting a residency and work permit.
Check out: https://nyidanmark.dk/en-GB
To make it simple, high education and high salary is what you need.
As for the trans thing, nobody cares here. But there is an extremely low tolerance in Denmark for drama and extreme behaviour. But the trans thing itself, no one would care about. Especially not in copenhagen.
NoReceipt75 at 2024-02-12 11:38:33+00:00 ID: kq2iy3x
I've worked with a trans engineer. She became very popular with everyone because of her personality; professional, competent, friendly, aproachable, even willing to talk about personal stuff with being trans (to a certain degree - not wanting to be viewed as something in a zoo). And she couldn't pass as a female either, now that you mention it yourself.
item73 at 2024-02-12 11:35:16+00:00 ID: kq2h0xn
It probably shouldn't matter but honestly it will matter, it will be more difficult for you, not impossible but more difficult yes.
Icecream-is-too-cold at 2024-02-12 11:20:47+00:00 ID: kq2heb4
Why will it matter? Do you have any source on this subject, related to Danish IT jobs?
item73 at 2024-02-12 11:25:15+00:00 ID: kq2hs61
I state facts and take the downvotes, someone who describes herself as a transwoman that can not pass by a longshot as a woman will have a harder time, it's simply just the way it is.
We can agree that it shouldn't be that way, but it is.
Icecream-is-too-cold at 2024-02-12 11:28:48+00:00 ID: kq2i36n
What facts?
We just hired a transgender electrician at our company. There was a lot of applications, but this person here was the best choise overall.
How is it diffirent in IT?
Can you come up with any source on the facts your stating?
I'm not saying you are wrong, but I would like something more than "trust me bro".
item73 at 2024-02-12 11:45:19+00:00 ID: kq2jjy0
I didn't say impossible, but more difficult. I do not have stats to document, but if you think otherwise you are in denial. I hire people in a large Danish company and we have indeed (not me directly but in my company) hired transpeople, which is great.
Let me put it directly, if you get a middle-aged balding transwoman that in all respect looks like a dude in a dress (which is how OP describes herself) then the CV better be amazing, the personality better be spot on and you need to just show very very well that you are totally comfortable in your dress, you will be judged harder, it will be more difficult.
Looks and social appreance maters, it's a just a fact, e.g. if your are morbidly obese, it will be more difficult.
Remember we don't just hire a technical skillset, we hire a person that has to fit into a team.
Icecream-is-too-cold at 2024-02-12 11:54:47+00:00 ID: kq2kfrd
But the comparison to morbidly obese, is a little off, because that appearance is sociated with health issues and sick days.
Thats not the case with a transgender.
I get your point, but I simply can't see it being an issue.
Actually my best friend (who is transgender) "complained" to me, that it almost felt like (for her) that many companies she was in interview with would hire her for the publicity alone, and that she almost could see the enthusiasm in the HR departments eyes. Which in her case felt quite annoying.
item73 at 2024-02-12 12:05:27+00:00 ID: kq2lgex
I do believe that, D&I is a huge HR agenda, but HR doesn't hire people, people are hired by some manager in some department (people like me)
Also to be super cynical, I think what HR wants is pretty brown people, pretty transgender people etc, people they can put on linkedin and parede around to show just how great they are at D&I - but that in itself is wrong.
It's also a moving target, we will get there, 20 years ago it was diffucilt to be openly gay, today honestly I couldn't care less (maybe with a slight bias to see it as a positive thing) and I don't know any manager that would, I'm sure we will get there with transpeople as well.
Icecream-is-too-cold at 2024-02-12 12:55:07+00:00 ID: kq2qozf
Thanks for the answer. Good points overall.
squidbattletanks at 2024-02-12 12:42:44+00:00 ID: kq2pb6m
transequality.org/issues/employment nber.org/papers/w30483
Trans people face discrimination in employment
jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2806531
Minority stress such as discrimination might be a factor in the increased suicide attempt rates and increased all-cause mortality for trans people in Denmark
I don’t know how you could reach the conclusion that there is no discrimination of trans people in Denmark. Transphobia is still present and discrimination occurs in many places, e.g. the healthcare system, workplaces, etc.
Icecream-is-too-cold at 2024-02-12 12:51:46+00:00 ID: kq2qb75
transequality.org/issues/employment nber.org/papers/w30483
Trans people face discrimination in employment
Minority stress such as discrimination might be a factor in the increased suicide attempt rates and increased all-cause mortality for trans people in Denmark
I don’t know how you could reach the conclusion that there is no discrimination of trans people in Denmark. Transphobia is still present and discrimination occurs in many places, e.g. the healthcare system, workplaces, etc.
I don’t know how you could reach the conclusion that there is no discrimination of trans people in Denmark. Transphobia is still present and discrimination occurs in many places, e.g. the healthcare system, workplaces, etc.
Where do I come to the conclusion, that there are no discrimination against transgender people? I have not made such statement. I simply asked for facts about the post that said that it will matter. heck, I even wrote that this person could be rigt, but I simply asked for a source to that.
I feel like you are doing some sort of strawman argument here? Aksing someone to back up thier statements with a source does not equal a conclusion that says "there are no discrimination".
squidbattletanks at 2024-02-12 12:53:55+00:00 ID: kq2qk1h
“I get your point, but I simply can't see it being an issue.” - from your reply to another comment.
Icecream-is-too-cold at 2024-02-12 13:04:00+00:00 ID: kq2rpu2
How on earth is that even close to what you are saying about my view!?
You said things like:
"Minority stress such as discrimination might be a factor in the increased suicide attempt rates and increased all-cause mortality for trans people in Denmark"
I don’t know how you could reach the conclusion that there is no discrimination of trans people in Denmark. Transphobia is still present and discrimination occurs in many places, e.g. the healthcare system
I have never stated that there aren't any issues. I simply couldn't see that specific argument an issue that I replied to, without any source.
It's not even remotely the same, as what you are trying to make me sound like. Not even close, and it's really not a proper way to lead a debate.
funk-engine-3000 at 2024-02-12 11:42:27+00:00 ID: kq2jaqq
Is it really that hard to call a woman “she”?
item73 at 2024-02-12 11:46:39+00:00 ID: kq2joc3
My mistake, corrected.
PewPewhmm at 2024-02-12 11:47:58+00:00 ID: kq2jsnj
Are you asking this question seriously? Because, since you formulated a complete sentence and with proper spelling, I can’t imagine you don’t have the obvious answer to that question.
funk-engine-3000 at 2024-02-12 11:49:29+00:00 ID: kq2jxp5
I feel like it was pretty obviously a retorical question.
PewPewhmm at 2024-02-12 12:09:26+00:00 ID: kq2lulq
Maybe that’s the problem
funk-engine-3000 at 2024-02-12 11:16:26+00:00 ID: kq2jfpi
If you move to a large city it shouldn’t be a problem. Copenhagen is probably the best place to be visibly trans/queer, and it shouldn’t affect your job options
funk-engine-3000 at 2024-02-12 11:45:00+00:00 ID: kq2jvgx
If you move to a large city it shouldn’t be a problem. Copenhagen is probably the best place to be visibly trans/queer, and it shouldn’t affect your job options
PewPewhmm at 2024-02-12 12:17:07+00:00 ID: kq2mmin
She isn’t asking wether or not it shouldn’t but if it would.
Sad-Firefighter-8235 at 2024-02-12 11:42:20+00:00 ID: kq2inlt
As long as you arent obnoxious about it, nobody cares. From a employers perspective: whoever does the job best and cheapest; gets the job
Its important to note that most people (in terms of work) just want a peaceful and uneventful day where the majority of social interactions doesnt create a mental burden for them. If you in some way creates burdens for people through your social interactions then you will be met with a relative response to that.
Here’s a couple of examples:
I am a gay person who through my interactions with colleagues do the job which I am paid for in a professional manner; the majority of responses i have with people will be pleasant and proper.
I am a gay person who uses my love preferrences to get special treatment in such a way that it undermines others performance and/or efforts; the majority of responses i have with others will be negatively impacted as my own personal behavior has created a rift/divide within the balance of fairness within the Company as I think that due to circumstances which arent inherited related to my work; I deserve a special treatment.
I hope you see/get the point?
squidbattletanks at 2024-02-12 12:18:34+00:00 ID: kq2mrrb
Why do you assume that just because she is trans she would be looking for special treatment or be obnoxious? Please work on your prejudice against LGBT+ people.
Tuesday_bookclub at 2024-02-12 12:45:16+00:00 ID: kq2pl4y
You need to work on your ability to read if this is what you took from that comment.
squidbattletanks at 2024-02-12 12:55:40+00:00 ID: kq2qrat
The person I replied to quite clearly has a biased view of LGBT people. They instantly steer towards OP possibly being obnoxious or using their LGBT to get benefits, which is a ridiculous thing to assume just based on a person being LGBT.
Sad-Firefighter-8235 at 2024-02-12 13:01:21+00:00 ID: kq2resf
Clearly, you have very biased views and should work on that.
squidbattletanks at 2024-02-12 13:08:07+00:00 ID: kq2s7b2
Lmao good one bigot😘
thetireditguy at 2024-02-12 11:47:14+00:00 ID: kq2jq8r
As someone who has a lot of experience in C25 companies, I agree. There is a low tolerance for drama but a high degree of inclusion as long as you don't ask for special treatment.
LoreZyra (OP) at 2024-02-12 14:23:18+00:00 ID: kq31y67
Not here to cause drama nor do I have to time to be a “drama queen.” If everyone is accepting as most have said here, then it boils down to my technical expertise and finding a company that can help with the work-visa.
My only other concern is my age. Over 20 years professional experience. (Started programming when I was 13… hence 30+ years experience.) Don’t know if age discrimination is prevalent as it is in Japan.
squidbattletanks at 2024-02-12 12:30:33+00:00 ID: kq2mgft
Your main issue will be gender affirming care honestly. Gender affirming care here is awful, truly awful. Make sure you get a gender dysphoria diagnosis/proof of treatment from your current country before coming as otherwise you might be forced to wait 2+ years before getting HRT. Keep in mind that estradiol injections are not available here unless you DIY.
If you want/need gender affirming surgeries you should know that SRS has an incredibly long wait list and FFS is not covered at all, best case scenario you might get a BA covered.
brokenarabesque at 2024-02-12 13:02:20+00:00 ID: kq2riv8
We are not a 'medical tourism destination'! Our medical system is covered by taxes. So we are not happy for our taxes to pay for foreigners expensive transgender surgeries! The OP should do this in Japan or the US.
squidbattletanks at 2024-02-12 13:07:50+00:00 ID: kq2s63n
Do you think a person is just able to walk into a clinic and get a surgery. Like have you ever read what getting surgery here entails? It’s clear that you haven’t.
SRS takes years of waiting and you have to be approved and been on hormones for at least a year before being put on the waitlist. Most Danish trans people aren’t able to ger any surgery done because the conditions are so awful here.
Majvist at 2024-02-12 13:13:36+00:00 ID: kq2supm
medical tourism destination
OP is talking about moving here to work. No one said anything about tourism.
So we are not happy for our taxes to pay for foreigners
OP is explicitly talking about moving to and working here, so she'll also be a taxpayer.
our taxes
A lot of people would absolutely be happy with their taxes going to gender affirming care. Most likely a minority if you asked them, but not your all-inclusive "we".
Creative-Skill-7212 at 2024-02-12 11:35:16+00:00 ID: kq2kjm1
If your a nice person, not easy but doable
Medical-Chipmunk2070 at 2024-02-12 11:48:49+00:00 ID: kq2mci7
Idk about thedownvotes. I’ve seen both the self starters who got a holding company and worked with yhe government, and the “internship” foreigners who left after 3 months because they realized how dreary the weather is.
Grumphh1 at 2024-02-12 12:14:20+00:00 ID: kq2n58r
mid-40s
Ahahahahahaaa... der er sgudda ingen der hyrer så gamle folk :D :D :D :D
ColaMalurt at 2024-02-12 11:51:10+00:00 ID: kq2maru
We have a couple of trans people at my job in a supermarket (we are in total 160 at my workplace). I can safely say that every single one of use really don't care about you being trans, as long as you don't make it your personality.
We get that you have transitioned and then leave it at that, because we won't keep talking about it over and over. You did it, congrats and all but we have a job to do. That sort of thing can you talk about at breaks or outside work.
We won't think less of you, but it can be tiresome if we go over and over the same stuff, in and out and that won't do anyone any good.
JustLikeOnTV at 2024-02-12 12:13:53+00:00 ID: kq2o0fz
This isn't exactly what you're asking but I can recommend looking into the games industry if your skills fit. We are quite a lot of queer people in game dev and I'm finding it quite comfortable and inclusive.
SignificanceNo3580 at 2024-02-12 12:22:10+00:00 ID: kq2kpq2
While no country is perfect, we don’t have anything that resemble the political hatred you might encounter in the US. The leader of the Danish Conservative Party is for instance a recently divorced gay man. But you should reach out to lgbt+denmark, they have free counselling and can surely answer any questions you might have.
And getting a work and residency permit is notoriously difficult in Denmark. But not impossible, especially in your line of work. You should check this website out for information regarding that, but you might need to consult an immigration lawyer.
unicornofsummer at 2024-02-12 11:57:44+00:00 ID: kq2o0pk
It is sort-of OK. On the one hand, there is the idea that 'it doesn't matter who you are, as long as you do the job well'.
On the other hand, we do not tolerate the drama and social/political stuff, that in America they call 'woke'. We don't like that in Europe, especially not in Denmark. Do not advertise that you are transgender, do not make a big deal of it. Don't talk about hormones and surgeries with coworkers. Do not display yourself as transgender, wear pride colours to work, and do not expect special treatment because you are transgender. If someone is unfair to you because you are transgender, you need to let it go and not complain or make a fuss. If you complain about being treated unfairly, people will immediately side against you - because a complainer is our least favourite thing. If people use the wrong language or pronouns, just let it go because you won't get any sympathy if you are a complainer.
So in other words, just neutralize those aspects and do your job, and do it well, and you will be accepted.
mcEstebanRaven at 2024-02-12 12:30:38+00:00 ID: kq2r123
Outside Copenhagen, my trans gf faced some comments in the street back when she wasn't passing, and two of my friends who live in the same town experienced racism as well. So like many other countries, the bigger the city, the better.
So, you find Copenhagen/Åhrus better than other cities. In the IT sector I don't think anyone cares and it's a sector with a big demand. I think the only struggle you could find is that in Denmark is very popular to bike to work and get changed office/sport clothes at the workplace changing rooms, so you might encounter it difficult if your legal documents still have the male gender and the workplace has gendered common changing rooms instead of individual ones.
About trans healthcare, the wait is long. First, you need a disphoria diagnose from the phyquiatrist to join the waiting list for the sexual clinic. Then, the sexual clinic will put you on HRT and supervise it, including giving you the prescription to buy the hormones and get laser hair removal for your beard area. Be aware that despite being affordable, the waiting time is +1 year to start HRT.
brokenarabesque at 2024-02-12 12:58:03+00:00 ID: kq2sh0u
You should be able to find a job. But be careful not to make the transgender your entire personality. In Denmark we do not like when people make a show of it, or make a big issue out of it. Denmark is already very equal. We have probably the most equality in the world. But if you find that it's not equal enough for you, then you can't expect us to change and accommodate you. We do not like when foreigner wants to be an 'activist' and try to make us change for them.
fisterdister at 2024-02-12 11:57:44+00:00 ID: kq2t2tx
worked with one myself at my prior job - no one... litterally no one cared :)
Eshamwoowoowoowoo at 2024-02-12 11:55:56+00:00 ID: kq2uhj9
They'll stand in line to make a diversity hire