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item73 at 2024-02-12 11:25:15+00:00 ID:
kq2hs61I state facts and take the downvotes, someone who describes herself as a transwoman that can not pass by a longshot as a woman will have a harder time, it's simply just the way it is.
We can agree that it shouldn't be that way, but it is.
Icecream-is-too-cold at 2024-02-12 11:28:48+00:00 ID:
kq2i36nWhat facts?
We just hired a transgender electrician at our company. There was a lot of applications, but this person here was the best choise overall.
How is it diffirent in IT?
Can you come up with any source on the facts your stating?
I'm not saying you are wrong, but I would like something more than "trust me bro".
item73 at 2024-02-12 11:45:19+00:00 ID:
kq2jjy0I didn't say impossible, but more difficult. I do not have stats to document, but if you think otherwise you are in denial. I hire people in a large Danish company and we have indeed (not me directly but in my company) hired transpeople, which is great.
Let me put it directly, if you get a middle-aged balding transwoman that in all respect looks like a dude in a dress (which is how OP describes herself) then the CV better be amazing, the personality better be spot on and you need to just show very very well that you are totally comfortable in your dress, you will be judged harder, it will be more difficult.
Looks and social appreance maters, it's a just a fact, e.g. if your are morbidly obese, it will be more difficult.
Remember we don't just hire a technical skillset, we hire a person that has to fit into a team.
Icecream-is-too-cold at 2024-02-12 11:54:47+00:00 ID:
kq2kfrdBut the comparison to morbidly obese, is a little off, because that appearance is sociated with health issues and sick days.
Thats not the case with a transgender.
I get your point, but I simply can't see it being an issue.
Actually my best friend (who is transgender) "complained" to me, that it almost felt like (for her) that many companies she was in interview with would hire her for the publicity alone, and that she almost could see the enthusiasm in the HR departments eyes. Which in her case felt quite annoying.
item73 at 2024-02-12 12:05:27+00:00 ID:
kq2lgexI do believe that, D&I is a huge HR agenda, but HR doesn't hire people, people are hired by some manager in some department (people like me)
Also to be super cynical, I think what HR wants is pretty brown people, pretty transgender people etc, people they can put on linkedin and parede around to show just how great they are at D&I - but that in itself is wrong.
It's also a moving target, we will get there, 20 years ago it was diffucilt to be openly gay, today honestly I couldn't care less (maybe with a slight bias to see it as a positive thing) and I don't know any manager that would, I'm sure we will get there with transpeople as well.
Icecream-is-too-cold at 2024-02-12 12:55:07+00:00 ID:
kq2qozfThanks for the answer. Good points overall.
squidbattletanks at 2024-02-12 12:42:44+00:00 ID:
kq2pb6mtransequality.org/issues/employment nber.org/papers/w30483
Trans people face discrimination in employment
jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2806531
Minority stress such as discrimination might be a factor in the increased suicide attempt rates and increased all-cause mortality for trans people in Denmark
I don’t know how you could reach the conclusion that there is no discrimination of trans people in Denmark. Transphobia is still present and discrimination occurs in many places, e.g. the healthcare system, workplaces, etc.
Icecream-is-too-cold at 2024-02-12 12:51:46+00:00 ID:
kq2qb75transequality.org/issues/employment nber.org/papers/w30483
Where do I come to the conclusion, that there are no discrimination against transgender people? I have not made such statement. I simply asked for facts about the post that said that it will matter. heck, I even wrote that this person could be rigt, but I simply asked for a source to that.
I feel like you are doing some sort of strawman argument here? Aksing someone to back up thier statements with a source does not equal a conclusion that says "there are no discrimination".
squidbattletanks at 2024-02-12 12:53:55+00:00 ID:
kq2qk1h“I get your point, but I simply can't see it being an issue.” - from your reply to another comment.
Icecream-is-too-cold at 2024-02-12 13:04:00+00:00 ID:
kq2rpu2How on earth is that even close to what you are saying about my view!?
You said things like:
I have never stated that there aren't any issues. I simply couldn't see that specific argument an issue that I replied to, without any source.
It's not even remotely the same, as what you are trying to make me sound like. Not even close, and it's really not a proper way to lead a debate.
brokenarabesque at 2024-02-12 13:20:06+00:00 ID:
kq2tn68Yes, /u/squidbattletanks is clearly a troublemaker. They are only posting in bad faith here
squidbattletanks at 2024-02-12 13:23:22+00:00 ID:
kq2u1ohLmao you are the one posting bad faith misinformation about subjects you know nothing about💁♀️
funk-engine-3000 at 2024-02-12 11:42:27+00:00 ID:
kq2jaqqIs it really that hard to call a woman “she”?
item73 at 2024-02-12 11:46:39+00:00 ID:
kq2joc3My mistake, corrected.
PewPewhmm at 2024-02-12 11:47:58+00:00 ID:
kq2jsnjAre you asking this question seriously? Because, since you formulated a complete sentence and with proper spelling, I can’t imagine you don’t have the obvious answer to that question.
funk-engine-3000 at 2024-02-12 11:49:29+00:00 ID:
kq2jxp5I feel like it was pretty obviously a retorical question.
PewPewhmm at 2024-02-12 12:09:26+00:00 ID:
kq2lulqMaybe that’s the problem