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Meloni heads Italy’s most rightwing government since the second world war. Italy’s criminal code punishes with a fine ranging from €1,000 to €5,000 anyone who “publicly defames the republic”, which includes the government, parliament, the courts and the army.

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[–] [email protected] 151 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Meloni is definitely far-right, and comes from a historically fascist party. So he is just stating the facts here.

[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Do you mean the well the well known racist and fascist Giorgia Meloni?

[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 year ago

Is Georgia Menoni known to the rest of the world as anything other but the well known racist and fascist Giorgia Meloni?

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (1 children)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alessandra_Mussolini , proud member of Forza Italia and defender of her grandfather.

[–] [email protected] 48 points 1 year ago (9 children)

She blocked me on Twitter just for telling her a really cool fact: there's an emoji of her grandfather. It's this one! 🙃

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[–] [email protected] 106 points 1 year ago (45 children)

how to tell if youre in a facist state:
the person accusing the facist goes to jail

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[–] [email protected] 85 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I'm sure Placebo, a British band, doesn't give a single dry fuck what this stupid Italian fascist wants to investigate.

Someone is about to learn what "Streisand Effect" means.

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[–] [email protected] 81 points 1 year ago

Ah, yes, nothing like forbidding people from calling out fascism to prove your government isn't fascist.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 1 year ago (8 children)

Didn't the world fight a world war to stop this kind of government from taking full control over a people?

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Nah, Italy's fascists were never really purged, because the occupying Americans preferred them to the Communist partisans

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 year ago (8 children)

TIL about Italy's shunning of their past in contrast to the "collective guilt" felt by Germans after WWII

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italiani_brava_gente

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Literal actual fascists behaving like fascists, surprise surprise.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 year ago

Now, what I would do if I were Brian Molko is I would absolutely go to trial. Turn it in a show. Either I get convicted, in which case, Meloni looks even more like a fascist, or I get exonerated, in which case, it's the courts that are accepting that she's a fascist.

5000E is not an issue, he can fundraise that in an afternoon.

GO BRIAN

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 year ago (4 children)
[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 year ago (22 children)

Person: "You're a fascist"

Government: "That's wrong; we're gonna use the power of the state to investigate and punish you for something you said"

Person: "Oh well I stand corrected. Totally not fascist at all...."

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I've never really been a Placebo fan or a supporter until right now

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Brian's duet with David Bowie is a thing of beauty.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

She's literally the head of a self proclaimed fascist party, isn't she?

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[–] PrincessLeiasCat 42 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Meloni, 46, heads Italy’s most rightwing government since the second world war. Italy’s criminal code punishes with a fine ranging from €1,000 to €5,000 (£858 to £4,290) anyone who “publicly defames the republic”, which includes the government, parliament, the courts and the army.

Wow. Ok then...I guess technically he did violate that law and so it shouldn't matter how fucked up that law is with respect to an investigation being done about it, but can we still talk about how fucked up that law is in an EU country? Yeah I know Italy's a little bit different and such, but goddamn.

W would have loved to have had something like this when the Dixie Chicks got out of line over Iraq (though his response quoted there seems oddly...reasonable? ehh, fuck W): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixie_Chicks_controversy

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[–] [email protected] 40 points 1 year ago

Fascist gonna crybully

[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 year ago (17 children)
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[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 year ago (9 children)

I've been surprised that some western countries have laws like this. A French woman has also been fined for insulting Macron.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (2 children)

The public prosecution department in Germany let someone's home got searched because he called a conservative politician "Du bist so 1 Pimmel" ("you are such a penis") via Twitter.

At the same time the public prosecution department in Germany regularly refuses to take action against hate speech when aimed against other people. Even other politicians.

And since many people do not really understand our jurisdiction, they believe it is enough to protest against the police.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Somebody once remarked that it's funny how everyone acts like Italians all walk around being Mario Brothers but the Italians just roll with it.

It's because some Italians were the people who invented Fascism as a formal political movement, and you know damn well how that ended up, so if going "It's-a me, Giancarlo!" every once in a while gets the world to forget, they'll take it.

But then this happens, and you have to start talking about spaghetti as much as possible.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Don't even have to go that far back: Italy is massively corrupt with organized crime running parts of the country and with a literal facsist representing them in the EU Parliment(Mussolinis granddaugher in fact). This current prime minister that is being referred to in the post is a self-proclaimed "national conservative".

And the fact that they kept letting Berlusconi run things is all the proof you need of how corrupt the entire country is(his "controversies" part on wikipedia is so large that it has its own page with 160 citations, he is also connected to the party of the person mentioned above).

But it has some amazing tourist locations and food, so people gloss over that as well.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Anytime Meloni gets upset about anything I just remind her to be like her grandpa and turn that frown upside down.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 year ago (2 children)

You're thinking of Alessandra Mussolini.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (3 children)

So.... they proved him right?

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago

That move just makes Brian seem more reasonable.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago

but he's right, so what?

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

Brian Molko continues to be based

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

It's not defamation if it's true. Getting punished for stating the obvious is the hallmark of a fascist state. It's fishy that the original video from Repubblica has been removed.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

Gotta love the dipshits in the replies pushing the whole "the left calls anyone who disagrees with them a fascist!!1!" while conveniently leaving out any and all context as to what they're disagreeing about. ~Cherri

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago (5 children)

So they're not even pretending to have free speech anymore.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (3 children)

In a lot of ways, the fascism that Italy invented never left. I had hopes 20-30 years ago, but they have been roundly dashed.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 year ago

More countries really need an irony clause in their constitutions. When the irony gets to this level clearly there are insufficient checks and balances in place.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago

If I had the money of a lead singer of international band I would consider a €5k fine a "campaign donation" to the other side and go call them fascist and get it in the papers.

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