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submitted 10 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) by [email protected] to c/[email protected]
 

I am failing to see the interest in having tons of IOT devices to manage, connect, segment, etc… Why would someone want to do it? To be clear, I have friends deep in it but… I still don’t understand. Can anyone try to explain the magic I am failing to see?

Edit: Thank you all for sharing your experiences! The ones I found more interesting are those that can easily translate in reducing or tracking consumption. The rest I hear but makes more sense when I look at it from an hobbyist perspective.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

It's fun, like most other people said. And for some things, it's nice.

I have two of my doors with network compatible smart locks with fingerprint readers so I don't need a key to get into my own house, and I have a remote garage door opener that I can fire off with my phone to let somebody in if need be.

All of the entrances to my house have video cameras over them that alert my phone if they detect any movement, and some of my lights are on schedules to let me know when to go to bed because I have problems with that anyway.

Other than that it's kind of nice to be able to turn on all of the lights in my house with a few clicks, although many of my lights are on motion detectors so I don't have to try to find the light switches, mostly in hallways and closets.

The one thing I have left to set up of the stuff that I have bought is a sensor for my front door.

Once it is set up, I will set it so that when I open my front door it will turn on the main light in the living room so I don't have to try to reach around and find a switch.

Finally, it's nice having the peace of mind to know that if I'm away from my house I can double check and make sure all of the lights are out, adjust my air conditioning so that I'm not heating an empty building, and once I'm done with that I intend on setting up a smart watering system so if I'm away from the house during the summer I can make sure that my plants receive enough water.

It's just handy stuff. Makes my life easier, gives me something fun to do, and it can be really cool to watch my house take care of itself without me having to lift a finger.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Like someone else said, it’s a hobby. I spend money on things, they make me happy for a little bit, they make problems for me, rinse, repeat.

Why do people go fishing when you can buy fish in the store? Why do people draw instead of taking pictures?

It’s nice to go to bed with all the lights on, press a button and have them all go off. It’s nice to have the doors lock when I leave and unlock when I come home. It’s nice to get an alert on my phone if my garage door is open when I leave. It’s nice that all the lights come on as the sun sets.

None of these are necessary, but all of them are nice and it would be annoying if I had to go back to dumb lights.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

I suppose it can make your life easier after the initial setup.
If you got the resources to set it up.

Imagine a small cute robo friend vacuuming instead of yourself doing it!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

Being able to turn lights on and off on four different levels of a house simplifies life without having to run up and down stairs with dodgy knees. A connected doorbell camera is also quite useful for being alerted when mail or packages are delivered, especially if nobody's home, and for screening solicitors. Voice assistants in multiple rooms aid in control of these and other features, especially when busy.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

I'm disabled and while I don't have anything set up yet (mostly because I've been looking to move house for a while), and even when I do, I probably won't tinker with it much since that's not really my thing, some home automation would make a huge difference in my life..

So no magic, just accessibility.. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

I use it to control some of the lights in my house. WiFi enabled plugs and switches are more convenient than having to go to each one and manually reprogram them. In my bedroom, I have one set to turn on every day at 7am and again at 9am in case I turn it off and go back to bed. It's basically a silent alarm clock.

I also have WiFi control for the mini-split (AC and heat) in my workshop. I can view the set temperature vs the actual temperature from my phone and I can adjust the temperature remotely if I want.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

As others said, fun and convenience.

For example: when I start a movie, the lights in my living room dim or turn off automatically. Sure, I could get up and do and set several lights manually, but I would probably not bother and watch a movie in a lit room. When I stop or pause the movie, lights go back to the normal setting.

If it’s dark when I get home and I open the front door, it starts the default lighting program. Sure I could fumble for the light switches in the dark, but it’s another convenience.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

My home automation setup includes:

  • Texting me and/or my wife whenever the washer or dryer in the basement finishes a load of laundry, but only if we’re home. If neither is home then it waits until one of us is and only texts that person.

  • Turns on exterior / driveway lights when one of us arrives home after dark.

  • Turns off exterior / driveway lights when we have both left home.

  • Sets our Ecobee thermostats to “away” when we have both left home, and to “home” when somebody arrives home.

I also have a “bedtime” button that ensures all lights are off, thermostats are set to their “sleep” profile, and doors are locked.

Those are the nicer things we use pretty much daily. We have others as well.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

How do you do the "both away or home"?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Since we're an iPhone family I use iCloud3 in HomeAssistant to track our devices. After setting that up and associating the phones with people in HA it was just a matter of creating triggers based on us entering the home zone:

alias: Somebody Arrives Home
trigger:
  - platform: zone
    entity_id: person.jack
    zone: zone.home
    event: enter
  - platform: zone
    entity_id: person.jill
    zone: zone.home
    event: enter

We live at the end of a dead-end, so I set up the home zone to extend down the road a bit. That gives iCloud3 enough time to figure out we're home and trigger the automation in HA while we're still approaching. I combine the above with a check to see if it's roughly sunset to sunrise, and if it is then turn on the outdoor lights.

For doing things like turning off the lights when nobody is home, I have a similar trigger for everybody leaving the home zone, followed by a conditional that verifies everybody is away:

condition:
  - condition: or
    conditions:
      - condition: template
        value_template: >-
          {{ states('person.jack') != 'home' and states('person.jill') !=  'home'  }}
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[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I am starting with home automation and I am always fascinated by some of the idea I read on the Internet. Did you come up with this yourself or is there a list of conditions and triggers with devices somewhere I can use with Home Assistant?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I came up with these myself over time, they started 10+ years ago using a Mac platform called Indigo, but since moving into our new house a year ago I've switched over to Home Assistant as well. I have a background that includes 10 years of software development & another 15 of IT, so these sorts of things come fairly easily to me when I think about it a bit.

My wife and I use iPhones and I found iCloud3, which is a great add-on that tracks locations based on those devices. I started out with the washer/dryer notification with the simple realization that we regularly forgot about laundry in our washer in the basement since we'd forget that we had started a load. So I figured out how to have HA send us alerts when the washer or dryer finished. But I quickly realized that wasn't all that useful if one or both of us was at work, shopping, etc. I then realized I could set up a trigger based on a time schedule that checks if we're home or not, and only sends the alert if we are. So I have a HA automation that is triggered every 10 minutes by a timer, but the timer is disabled by default. That automation uses iCloud3 to check if either of us are home. If we are then the automation calls a script to notify us. If we're not home then the automation resets the timer for 10 minutes. When the washer completes it triggers an automation that just starts that timer running. That gives us a little time to park the car, bring in any groceries, etc. before being reminded that we have laundry waiting.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

For a lot of things, it's a solution in search of a problem. I set it up on its own vlan because since I do networking every day for work segmenting things off is really simple for me.

I only have a handful of automations that I use.

  • Turn on the garage backyard lights and the back door lights when I get home after sunset.

  • Send my robo vacuum out whenever I leave the house for more than 5 minutes.

  • Turn on the porch light and the exterior housing lights at sunset and off at sunrise.

  • A button to turn off all the lights on my house on my phone that I use every night when I go to bed.

  • A button in my living room that turns on two table lamps, a floor lamp, and some accent lights instead of turning them all on individually. It also turns them all off.

  • Scene buttons at the bar that will turn on multiple lights and change colors. I'm planning to do animations with the lights here so that I can press a button and the lights do a little dance.

I don't really like motion sensors for rooms or areas because there are a lot of times I come in I don't actually want the lights on. I also don't have a million sensors because I don't want to deal with batteries or really care about everything. Things should have a purpose and not just lights that feel like they are there just for the sake of "hey look, I have lights that do something."

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago

It is fun to do.

But for practical reasons the biggest thing for me has been easily connecting switches together.

For example my kitchen has two big lights. Each light has its own switch but they put the switches in the opposite side of the room, so if you want both on you need to turn on one walk across the kitchen to turn on the other and do the same thing to turn them off.

With automation/IOT I can now logically connect the switches together so turning on one switch will turn on the other.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It’s new, shiny, and trendy. It for me, personally, I like being able to have certain lights turn on and off at certain times automatically. I love the idea of being able to control thermostats from my phone. And then there are the less that backlight my tv. Those are purely cosmetic, but such fun because they match the colors on the screen.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Having my lights turn off from a voice control is really useful when I want to take a nap but I found that it was weird having all this shit tied into a strangers cloud (google, amazon, apple, whatever). If its hosted at home its usually just fine. As long as ET doesn't phone home.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It’s a hobby. Some people like automating things. Some people are overdoing it. And some like to have a central control on their phone for everything. It’s nerd heaven. I am some people, but not overly excessive. And I want everything to still be usable by guests.

I personally have a few smart devices mostly because I keep forgetting to do things. Window sensors and thermostats that work together. When I open the windows, they turn down. The windows remind me to close them after 10 minutes. When I leave home, the heating turns down.

Light automations are for when you want to be lazy, like me. When I’m away or when the sun comes up, light turn off. When I arrive, hallway light turns on. When the sun goes down, some lights in the living room turn on. I don’t have any motion sensor stuff because it doesn’t work the way I want (we all know the horrors of motion controlled bathroom lights at the office). The only reasonable sensor I could imagine is actual presence detection, which just recently became a thing but I will wait at least until there exists one by a privacy focused company like Eve.

I would like to get something for my curtains but it’s all getting a bit too expensive.

The trick is to not use any smart devices that run in the cloud. Not only because of privacy but also because you don’t want to be freezing or sit in the dark just because the internet is out or the whole company shuts down. This is what people are always joking about over smart homes, but it doesn’t have to be this way. Keep everything in your own network. You can still access it from outside through the hub but that’s optional.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Home Assistant has a really good basic presence detection: wifi. If you phone is connected to your home wifi network, then you're home. Else you're away. Simple. Works. Local only. No extra sensors.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

I mean presence in a specific room/area, not in general. Homekit knows if I’m at home, that’s not a problem.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

That's harder, but perhaps the new wifi 7 sensing can help in the near future.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It is already possible but the only one available yet is from a Chinese company and it needs their app (and cloud) to work so that’s not an option https://www.aqara.com/us/product/presence-sensor-fp2/

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I do it mostly because I'm forgetful. So I automate what I forget. For example I always forget I've put the washing on so I get repeating alerts to hang it out. The alerts stop once I've scanned the NFC tag on the washing machine.

[–] CH3DD4R_G0BL1N 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I have still resisted any smart devices to this day, but I would absolutely love the option of a no strings attached way of getting a text/notification when the laundry is done

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I put a Shelly smart plug in my washing machine outlet. If it detects the machine using power for 30 seconds and then stop using power for 5 minutes, then it sends a signal to Home Assistant, and HA send a notification to my phone. It's easy.

[–] CH3DD4R_G0BL1N 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I’ll look into this, thanks.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I have similar but with just a basic smart plug. Rental life.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I wake up and my blinds are opening, when it gets too dark outside, they close and turn the lights on, I can lie in bed and do all this..

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Laziness and/or sometimes genuine medical needs

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Have you ever used a delayed start on a washing machine? If so welcome to home automation. I'm only half joking - many home devices already have some timer based functions.

The next step is to be able to program them in a more complex way together. Like - I want my laundry to be finished 15 min before I come home. At the same time water heater should come on so there is enough hot water for a shower later.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Various automations, conveniences, and efficiencies that can ultimately save a lot of time &/or money.

1 ) sleep hygiene = a) close the roller shutters or blackout blinds at night b) open them gradually at the same time every day, play the tron soundtrack, and start brewing my coffee. c) drop the temperature by x degrees 1 hour before bedtime.

2 ) house can start growing mould under certain conditions = run the dehumidifier after x amount of time above y average humidity.

3 ) energy efficiency = a) when weather is predicted to rise above 25c, close roller shutters on sunny side of house. b) when temperature is rises above x, or drops below y, turn on air con.

4 ) security = encrypt and upload security camera footage every 5 minutes.

Etc, etc, etc. None of the above should be difficult to set up, nor insecure... We shouldn't need to go to great lengths to automate our lives for comfort and convenience without our privacy being invaded... but in the age of surveillance capitalism, where corporations are scrambling to monetise everything we say and do, and most hardware and software vendors are actively working against us, our only solution is to tinker, hack, and patch together a multitude of disparate software and systems. Problem solving can be fun, but I'd prefer home automation to be easy and effortless.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What I really want is a smart home that tells me that the stove is on and been unattended for over 20 minutes now.

And which can tell me which when I went to bed last night.

Obviously it would have to be offline not some crowd service lives streaming to the NSA.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

I use smart bulbs and they're really handy since you can put them on a schedule and change their color. For example I used a smart outlet to run some grow lights so I could grow some seedlings and turn them on before I wake up. Have porch lights on a timer.

But other than lights I haven't seen any use cases I care about.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago

I'm using home assistant with thermostats and humidity/temperature sensors mostly to get information how the house heats and how the rooms are affected by humidity and temperature changes.

I also automated two dehumidifiers with those sensors and zigbee plugs to not run 24/7 but in defined windows when the noise isn't bothering anyone and if the humidity triggers certain thresholds. The automation also has hysteresis sesstongs so the devices do not constantly turn on and off.

In general I don't automate to a point where I can just flick a switch or turn on something manually. But it is nice to be able to control and see everything.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Here is a list of some practical uses so far:

  • Get a notification on the phone when the washer is done.
  • Charge the car when electricity is cheap
  • Turn on humidifier if sufficiently humid and no motion near it for a while
  • Automatically lock the front door at night
  • Toggle lights with a shortcut key on the keyboard
  • Change target thermostats for different rooms and different time of day.

Also nice to learn about the house:

  • Breakdown of electricity usage. (How much actually goes to heating, car, etc)
  • Answer questions like "When did I really go to bed last night?". Etc
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