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Are there hardcore gamers there or is it mostly for coders?

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

I recommend using an AMD CPU and GPU, but otherwise you can just assume a game works and it will most of the time. If it doesn't, there might be some quick fixes, and if not then it's an unlucky one.

See ProtonDB.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Check out the steam hardware survey: https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

1.47% of steam users

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Does that include Steam Deck users? Steam OS is based on Linux, but I don't see it listed on the hardware survey under the Linux category.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's probably counted as "Arch Linux" since it's what the Steam OS is based on.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

It's broken out as its own OS:

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

SteamOS Holo is the one used on Deck.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I’ve been gaming on Linux since Proton first launched. It was good back then, and at this point I can play just about everything in my Steam library (nearly 1000 games). From indies to racing sims to triple a games. It’s great.

Anti-cheat is still hit or miss, but I don’t really play any multiplayer games, so that doesn’t affect me luckily.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I use Linux as my daily OS, for study and work. I primarily game on it as well!

Every game that I've tried on Linux runs smoother (less 1% lows) than on Wind0ws. I assume it's because of the bloat on win11, but then again I researched as much as possible to clean up and optimize win11. Still runs much better on Linux. I mainly play Apex Legends, and though I don't consider myself good, I was D3 in S15.

The biggest issue is dealing with the games that use Anti-cheat systems that put kernel-hooks on wind0ws, which can't be emulated.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

That’s very cool! In general, assuming a game runs well through proton, how’s the gaming performance between Linux and the same hardware on Windows? (You mentioned 1% lows are better, but what about average?)

I’m not super familiar with proton so I would think running in proton has some performance hit; is this not the case?

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Linux as an OS is just so much better about getting good performance out of the hardware, and keeping itself out of the way. I've converted a lot of people to Linux over the year in an effort to get better performance on older systems. They couldn't afford to buy a new computer, and usually just wanted to be able to check email and go on the web. Slap Ubuntu on and they were always shocked how much better everything ran, but was still easy to use.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I have been gaming on Linux since 2017, and it is super super viable now. Did you know that over 70% of the top 1000 games on Steam are playable on Linux?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I switched near Windows 11 release. I went with Ubuntu hirsute hippo. I had an Nividia card and a steam account and was shocked at how well my games were running. And it has gotten better and better.

Steam is doing great with pleasing gamers.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

My path to Linux was similar to yours, except I dealt with Windows 11 for about 6 months before I finally formatted it and replaced it with Pop!_OS in a 1am rage after it completely fucked up for the 87th time that day.

I was shocked to discover that it was even easier to deal with than Windows 11. The last time I used Linux was a decade ago and it was nowhere near as plug-and-play as it is now. Games worked seamlessly. It completely blew me away.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I fully switched to Linux ~3 years ago and at the beginning I was worrying about compatibility, but nowadays I don't really have to think about it anymore. I play AA games almost daily with both Steam and Heroic. Like others have mentioned, there are some games that doesn't work because of anti-cheats, but I think there are only a handful of those anymore.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Through Steam and Proton, I'm able to play most of the games I'm interested in: Mass Effect, Last of Us, Jedi Fallen Order & Survivor. Steam Deck is built on Linux too.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Valve has certainly given linux a boost with the SteamDeck and all the work they've funded to make it a viable gaming platform. I just hope they release SteamOS for all platforms soon, maybe we'll see an uptick in PC pre-builds with SteamOS as an option instead of just Windows.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Steam deck has grown it a fair bit. Excluding anticheat, most games can be made to work with the assistance of proton See protonDB for specific games, but it's a definite thing.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

BattleEye and EAC are supported, IF the developers enable it for their games.

I can play whatever I want on Linux, there's so many options that make it work like Lutris, Bottles, Heroic Games Launcher and Steam of course. There are some exceptions though, some games don't work, but that's often a deliberate choice of the studios. Looking at you, Bungie.

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I use Linux exclusively for gaming. Sometimes there's a performance hit or weird bug, but mostly it runs very well, occasionally better than on Windows. I have quite often heard of windows players complaining about older games no longer running properly, and I've often had no problems with these on Linux, for example the original Dead Space.

However there are technologies which are still quite some ways off. Rtaytracing is improving but still a generation behind windows in terms of performance and support. HDR is barely supported anywhere. Variable refresh rate, is supported in some instances, but not universally, e.g. Gnome doesn't support it yet for Wayland. I don't know anything much about VR but would suspect it may not be very well supported yet either.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I don't know where you draw the line for hardcore gamer but I play a lot of games and so does my friend, who is nontechnical and also plays on linux, and we both have very few issues and love the experience more than Windows. It really depends on what games you wanna play but there are very few games that aren't working OOTB. Protondb is a good site that I'm sure other people will link but if you're looking to switch I recommend taking a look at this site for the major games that will/won't work: https://areweanticheatyet.com/

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I wouldn't call myself a hardcore gamer. Only play on weekends and almost exclusively SP games. But so far experience is great (Pop OS, NVIDIA GPU, medium tier gaming laptop). Steam games are mostly playable without serious issues (adding some launch parameters or choosing certain Proton version might be advisable for certain games). Emulation also works nice (tried PPSSPP, RPCS3, Yuzu, Cemu). I would say that gaming on Linux is fine, unless you really need to play one of the not fully supported titles (especially ones with those pesky anti-cheats). Couldn't care less about RTX or HDR (would not work well even on Windows with my rig).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (5 children)

Lots of people in this thread are talking about steam and proton, but what about games on other launchers? How easy is it to setup proton without steam at all? One-click setup or 3 hours of crawling through google results and debugging?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Lutris works pretty well for most other games I've tried. I have Epic working on it, Battle.net, MTG:A, and RSI/Star Citizen. Few issues here or there with any given game but honestly not too bad. Performance is on par with Windows. I dual boot for Fusion360 and CAD so I can do a/b testing.

Ubuntu 22.04/Mate, Threadripper 2950x w/ 64gb ram, 2x2tb NVMe, Radeon RX 6800 XT

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Depends on the game, honestly. DOS2? Install & run. The only game I really had trouble was Age of Wonders: Planetfall. AoW 4 works just fine, without any issues. You can also use proton for non-setup games, pick any runner you want in e.g. lutris. Or Heroic Launcher.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

@Kaldo

@s804

I haved used the heroic launcher to play games from GOG and the Epic stores without too much fuss. I even got a pirated game to play after I used a windows vm to run the extraction/unpack tool.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It's not nearly as smooth and painless outside of Steam and Proton, but it's still a lot better than it used to be. 3 hours of work is pretty rare.

Heroic and Lutris take some time to get setup up properly, but once they are they usually just work. If they don't, popular games are usually easy to find help with. Older games are also more likely to just work, so for most people I think it's mostly just games with uncooperative anti-cheat that cause major problems. There will be more minor problems than on Windows though, and a few games here and there that just stubbornly refuse to work.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I would try adding the game to Steam and using Proton that way

(In the Steam client) Games > Add a Non-Steam Game to My Library > (Add the executable) > Select the game in your library > Properties > Compatibility > Force the use of a specific Steam Play compatibility tool > Select your preferred Proton version

Granted, I've only tried this with one game, but it worked like magic. Your mileage may vary.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Us retrogamers are gamers too, and there's a ton of great emulators on Linux.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Linux is a great choice for gaming!

While there may be some anti cheat games it cant run (at the moment), I've heard that some games can run even better on Linux than on Windows!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Seems pretty great to me. Yes, it is and will probably always be at least a bit worse than on windows, but definitely not enough to actually use windows. I'm really happy with the way it's going. The enjoyment linux brings for me FAR outweighs the cons. That is not gonna be the case for everyone and that's fine too.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

the only reason I have windows on my desktop is because of valorant anticheat

btw how do you change your profile pic?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Oh yes, there are gamers. I play Apex, Titanfall 2, Hunt Showdown. Sometimes Overwatch.

Very few games have not worked at all. R6Siege is a popular stickler that still doesn't work (even though it could if the devs let it, it starts up and runs training just fine).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I completely switched to Linux in 2015. I'd definitely call myself a gamer. I don't buy AAA games at release too often, but I sometimes do. I play games for several hours a week. So yeah, probably that makes me a gamer. Nowadays gaming on Linux works great 80-90% of the time. Proton on Steam has massively improved the experience. The only stuff that still regularly causes problems are anti-cheat systems for some multiplayer games. Otherwise gaming on Linux feels almost the same as on Windows.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I do a bit of coding but I mostly use my pc to game tbh hahaha, Deep rock Galactic is what I'm obsessed with right now

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

If it doesn't run on Linux (via Proton or direct), I don't play it. It has made some things less than fun (because I can run much lower powered hardware on Linux) but I've managed to keep up with the kids and their Windows-only machine including bigger games like Satisfactory and Hollow Knight.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

It's been harsh in the past, you just had to sometimes accept lower framerates/performance on the same hardware. These last few years, thanks to Vulkan and DXVK, it's been a blast though. Loving Lutris as my main launcher too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I play games that are available on Linux via Steam. Not as hardcore as I used to be, though.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I'm playing on Linux for 4 and a half years already now. I am a programmer, too, but my home system is used mostly for games.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's quite viable at the moment, and with Wine, you can run many Windows programs, including games. Sometimes it even runs some old games much better than current Windows versions.

If the developers don't use DirectX for 3D API, then it's quite easy to port. At least Windows still has OpenGL and Vulkan, unlike MacOS. (Why did they axed those in favor of Metal?)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Fun fact, MoltenVK enables running Vulkan on macOS. It does so by forwarding Vulkan calls into Metal. There's a little bit of extra work involved in setting up the Vulkan instance under the hood, but it's otherwise easy to forget it's running on top of Metal. Granted, it would have been nice if Apple had just included native support for Vulkan out of the box.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thanks to Valve and Proton gaming on Linux is already pretty viable and it's getting better all the time. I am very happy with how compatible Steam Deck is and what's funnier sometimes stuff that doesn't work on newer Windows versions works perfectly on a Deck. Battle.net Launcher installed as a non-Steam app and set to run with Proton allowing me to install and play Diablo IV just like I would on my PC just blew my mind.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Currently playing Pokémon Luminescent Platinum on Linux.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I used to dual boot Linux & Windows, but these days, gaming on Linux works just fine. Granted, I don't play any hardcore multiplayer games that might have iffy anticheat or anything, but even modern games work with little to no issue.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

I play on linux smfrom 5 years more or less, as it is my daily driver. I have a laptop with nvidia gpu and woth OopOS I have no problem. Stema for steam games, heroic for epic and gog and lutris for all the other. I play exclusively single player, if a need some multiplayer games I have a dual bot, but I used it like 2 times in 5 years. For now the only game that gave me a lot of truble was Shadow of the Tomb Raider from Epic. I had to use "alternative way" for having it to start.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Well the Steam Deck's OS is forked from Arch so.

I play mostly Indie so I couldn't speak for stuff like anti-cheat/graphics but... the types of game I play, for the most part "it just works".
If you're into RPG maker games, they sometimes require workarounds (hint: you can hot-swap the contents of RPG Maker MV/MX/MZ into Linux's native nwjs...)
I think the only games that struggle on my computer are mostly because of GPU (I'm on a laptop) rather than anything else Tbh

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