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Migrant Camp Moves Into High School, Forces Students Out of Their Classrooms (www.msn.com)

submitted 10 months ago by OnlyTakesLs to c/[email protected]

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This is in Brooklyn, New York.

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[–] ArbitraryValue 7 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

Keep in mind that NYC doesn't actually have much of a choice - there's a "right to shelter" here which requires the city to provide these migrants a safe place to stay. If they city doesn't, it's going to be in clear violation of the law. The mayor wants to suspend this policy but my understanding is that that effort is currently mired in court.

Then, aside from the legal requirements, there's the simple fact that the migrants are already in the city. Maybe not having a right to shelter policy in the past would have dissuaded them from coming, but it's too late for that. I don't think it would be decent to leave them exposed to a winter storm, even if that means motivating more to arrive.

Ultimately this is an issue the federal government will have to deal with. Cities can't address the root cause of it. IMO the people of the entire USA (or rather their representatives) should established a federal program for either sheltering and integrating migrants or keeping them out. Letting them in and leaving state and local governments to deal with them is a dereliction of federal authority, whether those state and local governments are in Texas or in New York.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

The city can put the illegals somewhere else besides a school, they could hang out with the turtles in abandoned subway stations. Use municipal buildings, the abandoned Spofford Juvenile Jail, rikers island is closed or closing. Instead the city decided these kids don't need an education.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Keep in mind that NYC doesn't actually have much of a choice - there's a "right to shelter" here which requires the city to provide these migrants a safe place to stay.

Sounds like NYC has an easy choice. End their nonsense right to shelter

[–] ArbitraryValue 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

They can't just choose to do that. The lawsuit that led to the establishment of this policy involved the plaintiffs successfully arguing that the New York state constitution guarantees a right to shelter (see Callahan v. Carey). How the mayor's attempt to suspend the policy would work in that context is beyond my understanding of the law.

[–] [email protected] -2 points 10 months ago

Pull a page from Andrew Jacksons book. The court can decide whatever it wants. It has Jack shit in the way of enforcing it. They can suspend the policy, and just tell the courts to go fuck themselves. It's not like these migrant bums could afford to challenge it anyway

[–] BottomTierJannie 0 points 10 months ago

Keep in mind that NYC doesn't actually have much of a choice - there's a "right to shelter" here which requires the city to provide these migrants a safe place to stay

Can't they just house them in the jew tunnels instead of schools?

[+] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago (3 children)

From my understanding, the rule is posts must confirm the biases of right wing Americans, but comments can be anything as long as they're not trolling or aggressive.

I'll just let you know that I've never got any flack from posting here, even though I'm not conservative. In contrast, someone cross posted an article about a Canadian being arrested to the conservative community on sh.itjust.works. I posted a comment there and was instantly banned for life by its mod because it wasn't conservative.

I give props to the mods of this community for putting up with the constant downvotes and rebuttals and not just handing out lifetime bans to anyone who disagrees.

[–] [email protected] -1 points 10 months ago

Pretty much, you got it.

[–] BottomTierJannie -2 points 10 months ago

I posted a comment there and was instantly banned for life by its mod because it wasn't conservative.

You were banned for spouting garbage misinformation. You're perfectly allowed to give your opinion so long as it's based on reality and not just crappy propaganda

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Who said this is a bastion for free speech?

[–] [email protected] -3 points 10 months ago

A bunch of stupid leftist trolls who the mods let run the subreddit 99% of the time

[+] OnlyTakesLs -6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I honestly feel bad for the kids caught in the crossfire. Kids don't learn as much when virtual learning. Biden, Adams, and all these pro-illegal-immigrant politicians are stealing these kids futures, and it just isn't fair to the kids.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Biden, Adams, and all these pro-illegal-immigrant politicians are stealing these kids futures, and it just isn't fair to the kids.

More than any policy that accommodates poor people trying to build a better life for themselves, Florida, New Hampshire, and any other state allowing PragerU videos to be used in classrooms are doing more to steal the future of children. You can't have a prosperous future if you can't determine truth from fiction. Just ask any poor conservative why they're poor.

[–] OnlyTakesLs 0 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Thats whataboutism

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It's relevant and concerns the same issue, the future of children.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

It’s not relevant since we’re discussing NY policy right now.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 10 months ago (2 children)

Is there something PragerU is saying that’s false? If so, what?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Newsguard gives them a pretty low score for their shenanigans, too:

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (2 children)

This video is walk through a case where PragerU uses dishonest argumentation to makes it points. 100% of the videos on climate change or energy are based on lies, which is easily inferred by the fact that the continue to support using fossil fuels and expanding their production.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Does “dishonest argumentation” involve making false statements?

I’m going to guess no, because if they were lying the article would be about then lying.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

100% of the videos on climate change or energy are based on lies, which is easily inferred by the fact that the continue to support using fossil fuels and expanding their production.

That, and Prager"U" is funded by the oil lobby.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Which lies are they based on? Are they lies that can be actually written here, as evidence this isn’t all just being made up?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Here is an example for you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wZEomO2OsAc

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Ugh. I upvoted you because you provided something more specific than anyone else. But you still made zero effort to actually point me at an answer. So I did it myself.

In that video, Mr Beat only makes two claims about PragerU's Michell making false claims.

##1: He chastises her for trying to pack the 500,000 number she mentions for Diversity Visa Lottery into the 1,000,000 per year number.

In Beats's video, there is a clip of her saying:

In that same timeframe, nearly half a million more people came to America through the Diversity Visa Lottery". The next clip is him saying:

There you go again. No, you don't get to count those immigrants quadrice

But she wasn't trying to count them twice. She wasn't even talking about the 1,000,000 per year number at all. That was from a different part of her video.

What she actually says, in the context of the video he's trying to debunk, is this:

From 2008 to 2017, the U.S. gave green cards to well over a million people for humanitarian reasons, allowing them to live and work here permanently. After five years, they can apply for full citizenship. We're not done yet. In that same time frame, nearly half a million more people came to American through the Diversity Visa Lottery

Back in Beats's video, he says:

Oh and plus, the numbers he gives is actually for ten years

With his tone he implies that she gave some time frame other than 10 years.

##2: He claims she gave false info about the requirements to qualify for the Divesity Visa Lottery.

This one is straightforward. He quotes he as saying:

Diversity visa applications don't need a high school education, job skills, or pretty much anything.

He responds:

Yeah that's bull crap. Diversity visa applicants absolutely do need to have at least a high school education OR at least two years of work experience in a job that requires at least two years of training or experience.

I checked this one and Mr Beats is right. The Diversity Visa program requirements include either having graduated high school, or two years working in a job with SVP score at least 7.

For example, a city bus driver job has SVP of 4-6, and a commercial airlilne pilot has an SVP rating of 6-7. So basically, a commercial airline pilot might not qualify for the Diversity Visa program.

So yes people this is how you get things done. This is a specific false claim made by PragerU:

Diversity visa applicants don't need a high school education, job skills, or pretty much anything.

FALSE

Next time would you mind doing a little of the legwork for me please? I can't do everything around here.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 months ago

Next time would you mind doing a little of the legwork for me please? I can’t do everything around here.

Normally I would, but Prager"u" is notorious for their lies and deceptive language (in other words, propaganda).

So putting any significant effort into debunking what is obviously wrong and widely disputed is a waste of my time, at least personally.