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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

AKA the Jamie Chadwick series. I shouldn't joke I guess, we have the Max Verstappen series at home.

[–] bernieecclestoned 1 points 1 year ago
[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

As far as I was aware it was already gone. Hopefully the new F1 Academy can achieve what the W series could not. They're not exactly off to a good start (at least for me as a viewer), the large amount of races makes it hard to stay invested to me. But on the other hand, it might also provide a lot of experience which would help the women in other series.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Stupid question from someone not into this sport at all. Why is there a division between men and women in this sport if the thing "actually" competing is a genderless vehicle?

[–] Speex 7 points 1 year ago

As the other person posted no rules against, it’s all opportunity and money. This is a rich persons sport. Drivers have to pretty much supply their own sponsors through all the lower racing series into F1. Like it or not, young girls are not often pushed into racing. These drivers start young, like 8-13. Folks definitely need to see they can do something to believe they can do something so the W series hopefully helped with that.

I believe that Hamilton Commission and Mission 44 are working towards addressing these issues of access for minority and disadvantaged folks. It’s a long road though due to money, sexism, and racism.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

There's nothing in the rules stopping women compete in F1 or the lower categories, it's just that it's such a male dominated sport. The idea behind W series was to put a spotlight on women in motorsport and hopefully generate interest and ultimately get more women / girls partaking in the more junior categories / karting.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

The same reason why E-Sport and Chess have women's only leagues. One reason is to just showcase to young girls that there are female athletes in the sport. Having role models is super important for attracting new girls into the sport. And it also makes it easier to connect with other women in the sport. If they are scattered over the multitude of lower Series, there might be 1 or 2 women in a competition. This makes it very hard to build a network of people who go through the same as you.
Having a female-only competition also creates a "safer" space. The amount of hate women get is well above what young boys face. Having some female-only tournaments gives girls and women a place to compete with less discrimination.

But there are/were also some technical reasons. Most cars are built around the average male physique. And the design makes it harder for smaller drivers. Especially steering wheel size is an issue. Support series often lack power steering, and then trying to control the car with a steering wheel that is too big makes it harder. The W series has steering wheels that accommodate female drivers better. Formula 2 listened to these complaints and made some changes to the 2024 season to accommodate smaller drivers more.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago (1 children)

the thing “actually” competing is a genderless vehicle

I don't think this is 100% true though. F1 drivers must be very fit to tolerate ~2 hours of high G forces. I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that male drivers can tolerate that easier than female drivers.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Unfortunately your argument doesn't hold out. There are something like 5-10% women air force pilots in the US, and I'm sure as hell they can tolerate the Gs if they pilot them, in an otherwise very male dominated industry. Yet F1 sits on a big fat 0 percent. So it's pointless to argue biology when there's a very clear sign that a bigger factor maybe something else at the moment.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

firstly, not all Air Force pilots must pull heavy Gs for two hours straight. And it's not just a matter of "tolerating" the Gs, but tolerating them while operating an F1 car as precisely as the other drivers. The more strength and endurance a driver has the easier that will be.

Secondly, there are like 20,000+ Air Force pilots, so there is way more opportunity there. Do you think if they hand picked the 30 best fighter pilots any would be women? Or alternatively, if we looked at the top 20,000 motorsport drivers, maybe there would be 5% women.

lastly, I'm not saying it's ONLY biology, of course there are additional factors involved as well.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Thank you for completely missing my point, have a nice day.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

thank you for your eloquent explanation and honest engagement with my points. have a nice day.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

I understood the intentions behind the W Series, but the simple fact of the matter is that if you take a bunch of inexperienced drivers and plop them into a series against each other, the few with a little more experience in those style cars (Chadwick) are gonna dominate and nobody is really gonna learn that much.

Segregation isn't the way to develop female drivers, giving them more karting and F4 and F3 and even F2 opportunities is, maybe create an academy just for female drivers at various levels, create a road to prove themselves in an industry where they are still shunned beyond a token female in any given field with a big check to bring.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

They did a poor job marketing this series. I am an avid F1 fan and I'm interested in other motorsports as well. I BARELY knew that W Series even existed. I hope they learned their lesson and F1 Academy will do better, although I'm not too optimistic as you can't even watch the races live.

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