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The Wikipedia definition seems to indicate it has origins as a racist term and I've never understood why unix users have adopted this terms instead of something benign like "themes" or "theming" which I remember being in use long before I ever heard "rice". So what gives? Why use "rice" instead of "theme"?

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 year ago

The term comes from car modifications, when people would modify Japanese cars. Folks called them "rice burners" and it evolves from there.

I have never heard this in the Linux community, though, so it might just be a you thing

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 year ago

I'm not a part of the demographic who would experience racism around this. So, I can't comment there.

I am a white hipster though. So, I usually call my window manager customizations "artisanally hand crafted".

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 year ago (10 children)

dude, you need a break from the internet

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

@const_void nobody cares. If you enter the Linux customization community, see the word "ricer" or "rice", and get offended, you probably need a break from the internet.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 year ago (1 children)

First time I'm hearing of this, how would this possibly be racist?

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Decades ago it (in my experience) originated from the use of usually gaudy non-performance enhancements to Japanese or other foreign cars (mostly originally Hondas IIRC) to make them look fast or faster without actually doing anything to make them fast. (gigantic rear spoilers, loud exhaust, neon underlights, etc)

In a pretty short time it bled into doing the same to any slow car (I think it was mostly Hondas to start) because so many people were doing it to Honda Civics at the time, then I think (again this is just in my own usage at the time) into usually gaudy non-performance enhancements to ANY car.

There's probably also some connection to "rice burners" which I think predates the word, which I first heard applied to motorcycles, again Japanese brands like Honda, Yamaha, Suzuki, and then later sometimes to cars from similar brands.

The racism in "ricing" comes from the idea that since the original targets of the term tended to be Japanese or other asian cars (Kia, hyundai) and with the perception that rice is closely associated with those cultures -- "ricing out" your car essentially meant "covering it with gaudy fripperies like those Japanese cars."

I understand why some folks think it's racist, and I understand why some folks don't, but I don't use the term anymore because I decided it wasn't that hard to use another word, and just because I don't think it's hurtful that doesn't mean it isn't to someone.

@tables

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago (1 children)

This is a really well thought out post, cheers. I think your choice is fair in the end, but I also think that it becomes impossible to do this for every word that people decide is racist or offensive to someone.

Especially because it all comes from american internet culture and it's hard for non americans to keep track. By this point, every few days some word or internet term or even the name of something in everyday life that I thought was perfectly normal is suddenly deemed immoral by american users. English is a secondary language to me, a lot of my knowledge of it comes from internet forums and such which only makes it even harder because I don't have a deep knowledge of the roots of the language, especially when it comes to slang or "internet terms" I mostly copy what I see. And while my stance used to be the same as yours, that I could just avoid using that word and it wasn't a big deal, I feel like at some point I started losing track of the list of words and I just gave up.

I remember there being a big fuss around a similar situation in home gardening subreddits because the most common worldwide name of some flower offended someone in the States, and a similar situation in baking communities, and it's just... I give up. There's no winning this fight. Someone is bound to be offended by something eventually. If people are refusing to look at context and intent, too bad I guess.

Also, on a side note, I noticed you tagged me while scrolling through the thread, but I didn't get a notification or anything, I don't know if tagged users are supposed to be notified? Just as an FYI as you might've expected that I would get a notification.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago

I remember there being a big fuss around a similar situation in home gardening subreddits because the most common worldwide name of some flower offended someone in the States, and a similar situation in baking communities, and it’s just… I give up.

rapeseed oil has entered the chat.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

This is the only context I've heard the term. People use it for theming desktop apps now?

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 year ago

My understanding of the term (from an asian american perspective I guess) is that it at most has a connection to race through the origins of ricing, and since the origins and current usage has never seemed derogatory and is simply about the Asian origins of automotive ricing I don't think it's racist at all. I see it as no different to any other term that reflects the origins of something that is connected to a specific ethnicity, especially when the term isn't derogatory and isn't used to otherize (which is how I consider model-minority stereotypes to be racist despite not being "negative").

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 year ago (13 children)

This is the same as people not using Gimp because they never understood what really means and feel it's derogatory. Sometimes a word is just that, a word, and there's no profit from overthinking it. But in the same regard you can use the term "theme" if it makes you happier.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 year ago (6 children)

You should stop focusing on vocabulary and get your mind on intent, this is getting stupid.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Race Inspired Cosmetic Enhancements

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

Or Rage, I'm always angry customising

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Being a non-american, I never really liked the term "rice" because it's not an intuitive term to convey modifying or customizing a system. But I have used it because that's what the subreddit used to call it. I never thought it might be racist as I never saw anyone use the term in a racist manner - I can't even understand how it could be racist - outside of this community, rice is just a word for something I eat for most of my meals. But again, I'm not american, so I might be lacking some cultural context - the whole culture war thing kind of escapes me and I'm not up to date on the list of forbidden words.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It came from car enthusiasts. Race Inspired Cosmetic Enhancements

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

That's a retcon FWIW.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

So, is this like a joke post making fun of what was posted in the pcmr community? I'm legitimately asking, I can't tell if this is a troll or not.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

I don't know but it seems like it's a 'nix thing.

I was in the Windows customization scene for years and never heard the term "ricing" until I discovered customization on Linux.

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[–] southsamurai 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I would if every Korean in my town didn't use the term for any Japanese car or motorcycle.

Wait, that's not racist, but it is nationalist. I think. I've never actually asked them if they use the term for other Asian brands.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

are you suggesting koreans can't be racist against the japanese because they're both asian?

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Yes, it is a derogatory term from car modification. Taking away the context doesn't make it any less racist.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Taking away the context doesn’t make it any less racist.

How doesn't it? I would argue most people who use the term 'rice' aren't even aware of its origins.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I first heard the term coming from Asian dudes talking shit to white dudes about their cars, so I never saw it as racist.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

i've never seen it used in a pejorative way, and the usage and meaning of the word in collectif consciousness is "theming". So even if it was used in a bad way, it's not relevent anymore, since the meaning have changed.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't think it is racist. I feel like we have gone a few steps too far trying to associate everything with race. By the way, "hey here's my theme I just did for my fresh Arch installation" just doesn't have the same ring to it. About that origins as a racist term thing, like it or not, it's now the term for the seeds of Oryza sativa, and there isn't some alternative way of referring to rice. That means it is now widely accepted as a non-racist term.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

It's uses in the theming space is already ironical since it's supposed to be a pejorative term for cars, it's use is way beyond it's origins now, and it's root in racism is flimsy at best, if one day goth groups start hanging out in gyms to bother people doing sports, calling them gym crows won't be a racist statement despite what the wiki will say about it.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I only know the term form car tuning. And specifically used for tricked out Japanese cars. The term picked up steam after Need for Speed - Tokyo drift.

Besides that it’s also used for Race Inspired Cosmetic Enhancements. Only cosmetics and no performance, the opposite of a sleeper car. In this case it’s a bad thing. And if a word is used in a bad way and has a possible race connection in can be considered racist. If someone feels offended because an it’s race related, just assume it’s racist.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago

I thought it had to do with the fact that most themes on Linux consist of a large collection of dotfiles, dots, rice. But that might just be me

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Never heard either, but ricer would clearly be racist as there’s no general contemporary reason for the word.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

I don't think it's racist. I just don't like it. Themes or theming works for me. It just makes me think of the kids who install kali and describe themselves as haxors.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I personally don't see it as racist in the context it's used (to me, context and how something is used is everything), then again, when I first heard the term a few years back, it was in the context of an acronym: Racing Inspired Cosmetic Enhancements. Nothing racist about that, I mean...I see several cars owners, racing or otherwise, tricking their rides up with spoilers or annoying loud exhausts all the time. All ethnicities, not just strictly asian. It might have come from a racist thing*, and if it did, that doesn't mean that that's what has to define it for all time.

I also agree with tables; you can't exactly choose a "nicer" alternative for something everytime a couple of people get offended by a word. It's just not feasible, IMO. IDK, I was raised with the mindset of: There's going to be people in life that are going to take offense to something you do or say even if you didn't mean to offend in the slightest.

*it could have, but I'm not entirely sure personally. I checked out the wiki article you linked, and find it odd that when originally looked up the term RICE on wikipedia, there was no racist conotations at all (and i know this because i often used to refer to that article when i explained what the acronym meant to others), or if there were, it was a footnote, but now it's front and center. Not saying you're wrong and this is some revisionist piece at all, just noticing that, is all. Like I said, this very well could be the original meaning.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

I'm a typical white guy, so my opinion on this doesn't really matter.

But for what its worth, I've lived in Japan, a and I personally never met any English-speaking Japanese people who were offended by the term "rice burner," or "ricing." For the most part they don't seem to care about their tech being associated with rice.

Standard disclaimer: my observation may not apply to everyone in that group.

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